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  1. Ooo... Great thread.

    One thing got lost along the way though.

    Spencer, who seems generally accepting of drugs in the workplace and indeed thinks he did he best cooking on pot and would rather work with crackheads that alcoholics, is in direct disagreement with Bourdain, who gave a fairly definitive list as to why each class of drug users (from pot-heads to crack-heads) are not good things in a kitchen.

    The discussion moved on to the realm of the legal-beagles, but I'm intrigued: Is the board generally for or against the idea that 'drugs have always been in kitchens and always will be, and do not really have a negative impact (indeed are positive in terms of destressing and endurance)'?

    Cheers

    Thom

    No...I will not employ crackheads. I will employ pot heads--only if I've worked with them before and know they're capable of the hours, heat, and cooking well. There, I think, Tony and I agree. I think Tony's blanket statement that pot makes you lazy, sleepy etc. is based on the fact that the last time he ran a kitchen Strom Thurmond was making cohesive arguements on the floor. Ask Tony about drug abuse and conducting operations on an independently produced television show and I'll bet you get the post of the year.

  2. I use flat leaf parsley. I know, I'm a philistine.

    As opposed to what? Curly leaf parsley is fine for garnish, but not much else. I see no Philistine here.

    Jim

    Alright I have to say something...

    Curly parsley and Italian parsley taste identical. The Thomas Keller model is flawed on this one. It's bullshit. The difference is about 59 cents a pound.

  3. This is very exciting for me because I just took a CLE (Continuing Legal Education) course on employment law and learned all about "employment at will." So just to clarify, as they say in the CLE classes, employment at will does not equal employment at whim. To wit, federal law trumps state law, and there are approximately 27 massive bodies of federal law that act to limit the employment at will doctrine. In particular, the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 bears on the issue of drug use, and at the very least prevents you from terminating an employee who is actively seeking treatment and staying clean. Other federal laws that operate to limit the employment at will doctrine include the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, the Bankruptcy Act of 1978, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and of 1991, the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, the Consumer Credit Protection Act of 1968, the Employee Polygraph Protection Act of 1988, the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (aka ERISA), the Fair Credit Reporting Act of 1999, the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, the Judiciary and Judicial Procedure Act of 1948, the Labor Management Relations Act of 1947, the Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977, the Railroad Safety Act of 1970, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994, the Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974, the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act of 1988, and a whole bunch of whistleblower protection laws.

    We all love our Fat Guy don't get me wrong...but that last post read like the ingredient list for a Totino's meat lovers deluxe. I got vertigo half way through.

  4. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if those essential oils you can purchase in bed and bath stores (like Aveda) can be used in baking, such as ganaches, macarons, caramels, or mixes like semifreddos?

    How did this troubling thought pop into your head? Maybe read a book.

  5. "The fact that yes, there are a disproportionate number of partiers in the industry, I think, belies a lifestyle choice, not a demographical statistic based on some governmental report. "

    How can this be? As soon as I finish posting I am going to insist on, demand, a government report--and some pretty bloody stringent regulations while I'm at it. You guys have had it your own way for too long, and we, the taxpayers, are not happy.

    Cut down on the ritalin and it may have the same effect.

  6. I'm certainly no expert on drugs, but don't people keep insisting that war, poverty, imprisonment, torture, etc., are all the reasons that the US has such a huge drug problem among  its inner city underclass? And according to Bourdain et al, the kitchens of America are staffed largely by people escaping the horrors of poverty etc back home.

    Not staffed by people trying to escape horrors of poverty necessarily. People cook professionally for a million different reasons...some of which are only discovered after hauling whale heavy garbage loads to the curb year after year like in my case. Some people find an element of romance, camraderie others are there because they're too fucking ignorant to sport a suit and tie and join the docket waiving intelligencia who only allocate Friday and Saturday nights for a good "pisser". There are some pocketbook queens who think that one day they'll be a better patissier than Jacques Torres and ruthless mercenary types who skip from job to job when the video cameras are installed. Drugs and alcohol, while prevalent in the industry, are not ruining our kitchens by any stretch. They're an accepted evil, as normal as morning coffee. The fact that yes, there are a disproportionate number of partiers in the industry, I think, belies a lifestyle choice, not a demographical statistic based on some governmental report.

  7. Basically you kitchen outlaws are just a bunch of redknecks. Shouting and screaming at people because of the "pressure", sneering at human weakness, macho posturing, despising people's employment rights, contemptous of the idea of helping and supporting those in trouble. Like a lot of the so called American freedom lovers you're reactionary to the core, defending loudmouthed boorish behaviour as heroic and misunderstanding bullying as strength.

    That's the first passionate post you've contributed in quite a while there Finch-o--I will congratulate myself for stirring you to arms. But hey, I'll let Tony Bourdain mis-spell my name but you haven't earned the right. It's SPENCER dude.

    It looks like you read my posts, focused in on the dirty words and thus formed your lynch party. Who's shouting and screaming?

    The first edict of American kitchen management is human frailty is fodder for the masses. We never claimed to be pious and diplomatic--though I'd say 75 percent of American kitchen display some semblance of hushed predjudice, management worried that the MAN will eventually drag verbal offenders into legal entanglements.

    If you think cooking professionally is supposed to be some Redcoats lining up, raising their muskets in unison and enjoying a pefunctory nut pat at the end of the war I direct you to the kitchen of the man who inspired this thread in the first place--Gordon Ramsay. The only difference between him and an American badass is he's constantly having to fight the PR war when he says something idiotic.

    I enjoy being a Minuteman...

  8. Glad to see I'm not the only mouth frother here.  Go get em Malachi.  Let them figure it out.  Never cowtow to the simple minds--even if you're point is so complex that it alludes....

    I think you will find the laws somewhat different in the UK than in Memphis. That is what they were discussing.

    Oh I realize that Craig. I'm just admiring our neophyte's style. He's another ranter/speak first-think later/Jack Kerouac of the kitchen. There's passion in his posts, and a modicum of sense in his words. I can relate to the urges he pukes forth.

  9. I just purchased and read in nearly one read.  I was glad not to find his writing pithy, verbose or loquacious, which at times may be deemed as quality traits of the writings of a cook book.

    I haven't read the book, but you were glad it wasn't pithy? Why?

    Perhaps because Pepin isn't pithy.

  10. No of course not Tony...I just have, like a lot of people on this thread have, strong opinions on way or the other. Crack heads are what you said they are...and in fact introduce a predictable quotient of violence to the mix, which when combined with fire, knives and cash registers make for a deadly combo.

    Just from my personal experience--other than MY OWN problems--I fuckin' hate dealing with alcoholics. I have that sinking cold water feeling everytime I realize one of my cooks has hit the Wycliff. Luckily with this club gig, two thirds of my staff are Christians and the other third abstain from anything that could be considered mind altering. Yes, a martian landscape for sure. We're a tight unit much like you describe in KC but we don't dabble.

    My experience with alcoholic cooks is extreme...pulled brass knuckles, no shows galore, bullshit elaborate excuses, had to send one guy to the emergency room (brotha Tim) because he was shakin' so bad with the DT's that he filled a saute pan with oil to saute some skatewing, picked it up when it was hot for some unbeknowst reason then proceeded to shake the fucking thing onto his arm. He was doing the cool chef flip thing with a portable deep fryer. Most of my experience with these flotsam types was when I worked in corporate chicken tender barns and mexican joints---when I too was a drunkard. In fact, when I decided to clean my shit up, when I got married and my first kid was on the way, was when my cooking really hit it's stride.

    Yes, I still smoke the occasional joint, not with my cooks of course, but balance any detrimental effects with 15 mile long bike rides (every fucking day at midnight), weight training and healthy food. I think, if you're the kind of responsible guy who can hit a J but keep your shit in line, then pot isn't harmful. But I know a lot of folks think differently. And I respect that.

  11. Maybe he chose a controversial shape, but to give Tony a little credit, at least he admitted he was leaving out Memphis (and I suppose St. Louis too :biggrin: ).

    I

    Mea culpa times two. And you know what? As I was drifting off to sleep last night I realized my square analogy sucked. That ain't no square. Maybe a shizquare?

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