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Hey DutchMuse, I totaly agree with your comment Genevive "type Genever" is so explosive in it's flavors compared to other genevers. It has the rite flavor profile, but very intense. I like it alot I think it is a fine American style Genever.

LOVING BOLS GENEVER! Thank you to the team at Bols for comming out with a great Genever for the international market! Bols Genever makes a great Sazerac variation!

Thanks for clarifying Dave, I love how one of the things you said does not mix with genever ( tonic) is exactly what they used to mix it with. And I totaly agree with you dry vermouth is not a very good friend to genever either. The mixing possibilities with genever is huge.

Thanks agian Philip, your the best! Enjoy that Genever!

Yes Damrak is not being imported since Remy sold Bols back to Bols WilliamGrant & Sons is the importer- distributor for thier liqueurs. I was told that William G&S. does not want to import Damrak because they don't want it to compete with thier Hendricks Gin which is pretty stupid considering that Damrak and Hendriks gin taste nothing alike ,look nothing alike, and are totaly different -you get my point. I am wondering who is doing the importing for Bols Genever I am guesing that that may be the same for the Damrak hopefully. I wonder what else Bols has up it's sleave Philip eluded to that in an earlier post. just wondering?

Ok so that article sucked I don't think Dave was represented apropiately considering how much he talked about Genever in "Imbibe" Nor was Audry it seems as though Florence Fabricant was fabricating what she wanted the article to sound like. Frist of all Tonic is a totally inapropriate mixer for Genever sould have been ginger ale or even coca cola ( which the Dutch like to drink it with)with a slice of orange. they should have sugested the fabulous sours and more about the cocktails that can be made with genever. It mixes well with curacao, creame de noyaux, absinthe, Jenever loves citrius juices, not to mention Vanilla simple syrup, drambuie, charturse, marachino, etc Plus the liqueurs that can be made with Jenever and rasins or even apricots. I am a Dutch American and am a big fan of Genever and I thought this article did not promote the spirit properly What part of Zuidam's Genever has very little odor the odor is very pronounced to me. I am not overly impresed by the Boomsma Genevers they don't really hit the mark as far as Genever goes. I do like Anchors Genevive it is very pungent and intense. I have about 25 genevers in my collection and love mixing with them. It is a very complex and diverse spirits group Im glad that people are getting to taste them in the US. Lets put on our creative mixing hats and come up with some great drinks!

Philip? what other interesting things are happening with Bols? that you can talk about since you are not working there any more.

I've been loving Genever in the Easter Sour style format. this comes from some Trader Vic book and from one of my Jeff Berry books the Trader Vic book names each sour after the base spirit used in it. so we can call this the Amsterdam sour? adabted from Trader Vic's the Eastern sour recepie Juice of 1/2 orange about 2 oz big oranges Juice of 1/2 lemon about 1oz. 2oz. Genever 1/4 oz orgeat 1/4 oz rich simple syrup /made with a vanilla bean. dash angostoura bitters tiny "and I mean tiny" dash of absinthe egg white if preferd but not nessisary shake serve in a large old fashoned w/ ice with orange slice cherry and sprig o' mint

I also heard that Zuidam will be launching a limited eddition Aged Genever around the holidays.

Philip can you confirm who will be doing the importing? Can't wait for the Genever should be great! I found out much to my chagrin that Bols Damrak Gin is no longer being imported. since Bols split from Remy Cointreau William Grant & Sons who was thier other importer says that they won't import Damrak because they don't want it to compete with thier Hendricks Gin which they own. This I don't understand considering that Hendricks and Bols Damrak taste nothing alike they are two totaly different beasts! thanx Kev

Yes, both Of my new bottles taste the same. They Came shrik wrapped which none of my other bottles ever did. including the other things I orderd. So th e Manufacturer must be Shrink Wrapping now. it is much closer to the original Picon. And much better that the way T.A. used to taste. It is so much easier to use in cocktails. Way Easier! There Is one more componet in Picon that I don't taste in Torani. I get a very slight but persistant fresh cool note. I have a a feeling it could come from a mint of some sort. I am in the prosses of investigating this.

OMG! The Torani Amer is differnet. In my oppinion it is WAY! better. It is true the Veggie Cellery note is gone and it is much more fresh bitter orange with light caramel and bitter herbs in the background. Crisp bitter cittusy and refreshng and not too sweet. It will be much more cocktail friendly from what I can see. I am comparing it to the old Torani Amer and the Old Amer Picon. It is definatley more like the original Picon. Not quite as full but it is heads and tails obove My older bottles of Torani Amer. Can't wait to try it in Picon punch tonight! It seems to be from the newest bottles I orderd mine from Wineglobe, they just got there new cases of Torani Amer about 4 days ago.

That is really interesting do you think Torani is improving thier formual! or was it an older bottle. I am also a Picon addict I have a lot to add to this thread but if Torani Amer has been improved I definately want to get some of that! OK california folks lets see what the rest of you think!

Any one tried Salignac Congac VS? It is quite inexpesive and very nice for cocktail making. What is up whith Salignac? who imorts it? It seems to be a very old brand. They only seem to make a VS rite now. What do you all think? Love Planat VS and XO great value lovely cognac. I just find it so suprising that the major producers of cognac such as Hennesey, Remmy, and Curvoursier make infirior procuts compared to Planat, Masion Surrene, Camus, so on and so forth. People are bieng bamboosled by the name and not the flavor. And to top the whole thing off the cognacs of the smaller houses are cheaper!

really like Villa Zarri Brandy 10 year. It is an Italian Brandy nice creamy woody facet to the background slightly different than a French brandy but very delightfull. makes great cocktails. distributed by Winebow in the east cost

CAMUS VS Great cognac for cocktails not too expensive. Paul Pacult lists it as the best VS on the Market It realy has beautiful flavor and nice depth for a young cognac. definalely gets my vote as one of the best every day cognacs

Hey Erik,, I read your erlier post on Cognacs and Brandy. I also have been on the quest to find Cognacs and brandies that really work for me. Martell Cordon Blue Makes one of the Best stingers ( from Imbibe Dave Wondrich with dashes of absinthe and all) Masion Surrenne Pettit Champagne love this for sipping or cocktails Daniel Boujou Premier aromes 90 proof one of the most fuity congacs fantastic! Daniel Boujou brut de fut royal 120 proof this cognac blows me away it is so intense makes for a great brandy punch again ( from Dave Wondrich Imbibe) Charles Neil selection Armagnacs very impresive. F. Paul Pacult reveiws Camus Vs and Frapin Vs as being very good and I agree. I also really like A. Hardy Vs Love Loius Royer force 53 for cocktails only not so nice for sipping. again me butting in with some of my opinions best regards Kev

Hey Erik Just a thought have you tried any of the Canaidian Club 12 year or Wiser's 18 year for your Canadian whiskies. I find them to work very well in the recepies in the Savoy that call for Canadian Whisky. I came across a couple of bottles of Seagram's V.O. that were from 1959, and I have to say the falvor of these bottles are closer in taste to the above canadians than 40 creek. or the Seagram's VO that is made now. It is amazing how week the flavor of VO is now. You Can order Wiser's From Binnys in Chicago where did you get your vanWees from? thanx again Kev

Daniel Boujou is It! It is the bottles I orderd did not have a non filter statement however from the looks of it I belive it is the same. I am telling you this is some unbelivable cognac it is loud and proud with tons of layers of flavor. It made a fantastic brandy punch from Dave W. "Imbibe" The Preimer Aromes is at 90 proof is also fantastic it is very fruity light and ariy. makes fantastic fruity brandy based cocktails! I don't know if they pull more of the heads of the distilation and that what makes it fruiter, but it is definately more grapey juicy than most cognacs. Makes for an extra juicy Side Car.

GO GET DANEIL BOUJOU! This brand of Congnac is sold by Binnys in Chicago and they ship to alot of places The Brut De Fut Royal is Outstanding! The Premier Aromes is killer good for cocktails. I don't think I've had many cognacs that compare to these I am also loving Masion Surenne Pettit Champagne and Bordieres now if they only made a couple of Brut de Futs that would be great!

Louis Royer 53 I agree with Dave it's not the best sipping cognac but it makes for some great brandy cocktails. The Louis Royer 53 makes a fantastic Metropole cocktail ala Dave's version in Imbibe I've really been into Martell XO and Cordon Blue lately per Mr. Wondrich's sugestion. I scored an 1964 unopened bottle of Martell Cordon Blue a couple of days ago still in it's original box. fantastic stuff made a few stingers with some of it w/ Marie Brizard white creme de menthe a couple of dashes of Swisse Vert absinthe from Jade. Very very nice drink. Ever since I read the coment from dave In imbibe about the dashes of absitne in a stinger It has made it a whole new drink for me! Is it ok to use a spearmint sprig as a garnish in a stinger? I like it but I don't know if this is faux pas. It would be nice if Martell made a high proof cognac! I like martells bradies they are nice for mixing, supposedly they use differnt Oak for aging than alot of the other brands. It seems to give there cognacs a fruitier flavor.

Yay the St Elizabeth Allspice Dram is out! This is fantastic stuff! it mixes so well with so many things. from Haus Alpenz you can order from LeNells and Shoppers Vineyard!

Hey Erik and fellow mix geeks, Have any of you tried the Louis Royer Force 53 Cognac? it is a Grand Champagne it is VSOP and it is 106 proof.! It gives a new meaning to cognac (brandy) based cocktails Not only is it a nice cognac, but its real benefit is the way it gives projection to the flavors of the finished cocktail. I don't know which states can get it yet but you can mail order from Shoppers Vineyard. Just thought you all would be interested! and it's only $45

Holy Crap! where have I been for the last year ! Erik this is truly amazing all this work that you have done I know we exchaged a few emails about this, but I haven't been reading the forum lately. All I have to say is wow, and like I told you before you definatley need to complile all this info into a book or something!

Yea I noticed the difffernece too. and I havent even been reading this thread. the mouthfeel is differnet and the way the flavor opens as you are drinking it is differnet. differnet, sad but true. I think it's time for a complaint e-mail to Campari!