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spyddie

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  1. This might sound too obvious............but you didn't grease your pan.... did you? It should have stuck to the sides of the pan. If it was underbaked it seems to me the sides still would have been stuck to the pan and you would have had a cake that sunk in upon release.........or the center areas of you cake would have fallen out in globs.

    Besides not greasing your pan, I do NOT invert my chiffon cakes while they are cooling. I find it's not needed at all with this cake, it will not shrink or be less-then for not inverting. Unlike an angel food cake which is also baked in a ungreased pan then inverted while cooling- the chiffon cake is MUCH heavier! It's also far more solid and the microscopic air pockets thru out the cakes structure doesn't deflate from pressure exerted on it (like when you slice it). It has either or both baking soda and powder and that makes it more stable then an angel food cake.

    I have

    So definately rebake this and make sure you don't spray your pan, then don't invert it as it cools. Also do not remove it from the pan until it's completely cooled to room temp..

    I just cann't help when i see this post. Just few weeks ago one of my staff grease the pan when doing chiffon cake because he has hard time unmolding them afterward :blink: .

    i think it all depend on the recipe, I have seem some ppl didn't invert after baking and still retain the shape, but our recipe contain less flour so it will sink if not invert after baking.

  2. ok no mixs, I like that! I would use scratch also if labor is not an issue in our bakery.

    1. sponge method: whip fresh whole egg with sugar till batter is light and airly(I first use top gear to whip it up and then whip at 2nd gear for at least 10 min), fold in the dry ingredients carefully, I use hand folding method instead just dump the dry ingredients into running mixer, then fold in the wet ingredients (juice, oil..), the key is retain as many air bubbles as you can.

    2. creaming method: cream butter/shortening with sugar using paddle till the batter is light and airly, add wet ingredients (eggs, juice) slowly, then add the dry ingredients.

    good luck

  3. When cream cheese is paddled too fast or too long, it just sort of lets go. And no amount of chilling will bring it back. But maybe a little Jello instant vanilla pudding mix drizzled into it would tighten it.

    That is the reason one should add the cream cheese on the last stage, also, I alway take out the cream cheese the night before and let it soften up in room temperture so I won't need to whip them more than it needs, preparation make all the differences.

  4. I would cut the quantity of whole-wheat flour with regular flour, at least a cup. You'll get a lighter loaf.

    I agree with Lesley, 100% whole wheat bread is know to be denser in texture, I think you might want to try 60% wheat flour 40% bread flour combination. I know you cannot freeze fresh yeast but I not sure about dry (instant) yeast.

  5. Do frozen egg whites mean they're pasteurized?  I almost always use frozen egg whites since I tend to use up egg yolks and egg whites at a different rate, so I always freeze up my leftover egg parts for later use.  I didn't realize what I was doing was pasteurizing them.

    Nope ...just freezing isn't pastueurizing. As I understand it, it's a heat pasteurization process ---taking the eggs to a high enough temp to kill bacteria without cooking them. Apparently, this can also be done in the shell.

    I freeze egg whites all the time too and can't really tell the difference from fresh. Some people say they take a bit longer to whip into meringue, but I've never noticed that.

    Someone correct me if I am wrong. From my understanding, it's the egg shell not the egg itself that contain most bacteria (Salmonella), am I right?

    george

  6. I have no knowledge on how frozen egg is manifactured. I was told by supplier the frozen egg I ordered is pasteurized. I am not sure what processes are involve to pastureized the egg products, but personally I don't think is as simply as freeze it up. I have one question for Chefette, can you still whip the left over egg white, yolk or whole egg? I have never freeze the fresh egg before.

  7. Sinclair,

    To answer your first question,Yes, frozen egg white can be whipped. The frozen egg white has to be completely defreeze, other than that it whips just like fresh one. Althrought I have not done side by side comparison, but from my past expericence I think fresh one will come out as a winner in quality Due to the volume of egg white our kitchen use(30 buckets or 900lb/per week)we choose frozen egg white over fresh one, I just cannot justify the cost of hiring extra person just to separate the fresh whole egg. FYI, frozen sugar yolk can be whipped also, but it contain 10% of sugar (as a natural preservative, I think) adjust of recipe is necessary if frozen sugar yolk is to replace fresh one. There is one exception, frozen whole egg does not whip like fresh one but in our kitchen we do not whip the whole egg so that's not a issue in our kitchen, other than that it can be use just like fresh whole egg.

    To answer your second question, why I whip 30minutes(3rd gear of 4 gear mixer)? That's how long it will take to dissolve 24# of sugar in this recipe. In this particular recipe the ratio of sugar(24#)/ egg white(10#) is 240%, it will take quite of effort to whip past glossy dry stage. I know I can shorten the whpping time by cooking sugar and egg white (what we used to do)over hot water bath(typiclly know as Swiss meringue) before whipping but I would rather using the "no cooking method" and let the mixer do all the work. :biggrin:

    I order the frozen egg products once a week and make sure they are rotated properly as with all our inventory. Last year 2 weeks before Thanks givening, we were told by our supplier the price of egg product will be sky rocket due to the busy holiday season, so we ordered big batch of frozen eggs, I cannot recall the exact number but I think it's like 300 buckets of egg white,whole egg and sugar yolk all together, that batch last us about 1 month and it's good till last bucket. We only take out what we need and leave the fully defreeze eggs in walk-in refrigerator all the time.

    Please pardon me if I misspell few words, as English is my second language. :smile:

  8. When I was at CIA we used only the best ingredients that is aviliable to us, no shortening were ever used,only butter :smile: . At first it was very difficult for me to use things such as shortening, margaine, extracts ,pre mix or any artifical flavorings, but after years in the field I learned to adopt it instead againest it :biggrin: .

    I posted the recipe as a contribution to the forum, I am sure any expericnce chef can take that recipe and modified to best of his/her interest, that's all. I'm deeply sorry if my posted have offended some.

  9. Lesley,

    Point taken, but would like to make few points about your common.

    Sweet butter is not healthier than shortening and oil.

    First I would like to introduce myself, I am certified Pastry Chef from CIA and I have 12 years of working experience in baking/pastry field(retail,wholesale,hotel). Currently I am running a 10,000 sq/ft bakery kitchen that supply all our 5 retail bakery outlets with 20+ wholesale accounts so I think I know a little bit of what I am talking about. I can see from you point of view--quality and taste is your #1 concern, but when you are running a commercial kitchen the size I am running, trust me there is more than just quality and taste you have to worry about. Things such as ingridents cost, labor cost,product shelf live, quality consistency.....list goes on.

    Cake shortening is not same as general purpose shortening but if taste is your top cerncer, then feel free to replace cake shortening with sweet butter, the finish product will tasted better but it will have more yellowlish look which is not good for wedding cake icing. We also use same butter cream for butter cream roses adding the cake shortening will make it much easier to work with. As for the oil, it's acturally very common practice among bakers, it's a easy way(cheating) to add the shine to the finish product but if all the steps has been done correctly it's not necessary to add the oil to make it shining, that's why I put is as option.

    By the way don't jump to conclusion to early before you try it :rolleyes: .

  10. OK -- so I'm making a shitload of a whilte buttercream -- the regular way -- egg whites beaten and cooked with a hot sugar syrup, then butter beaten in.

    I skip the cooking process. To my understanding there are 2 purposes for cooking the sugar, 1. dissolve the sugar crystals, 2. kill any bactirias in eggs. I prlong the whipping time to 30min to solve the first problem and use frozen egg white which is pastureized and that solved the second problem

    Frozen egg white 10#

    sugar 24#

    salt 2 table spoons

    butter 27#

    cake shortening 14#

    vanilla extract 2#

    oil 2# (optional)

    whip egg white (room temperature) to soft peak add sugar and salt, leave the mixer in 3rd gear set the timer for 30 minutes (shorten the time will have sugar crystals in finish product). When alarm go off add butter, shortening and slowly add the vanilla extract right after it, continuou to whip in 3nd speed untill the butter cream almost reach top of 80 qt bowl and add 2# of oil just to cream in.

    *Use only frozen egg white (pastureized).

    hope this helps

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