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Are Your Cookbooks Dirty or Clean?

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#1 Chris Amirault

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 07:31 PM

Cracked open one of my new cookbooks this week, James Oseland's Cradle of Flavor, and before the evening was up I had a stain on his great Javanese fried rice recipe. Virtually every book in my library has grease spatter on one page or dough between two others.

When a guest was over a few days ago, she spied my utterly destroyed, held together with tape copy of Charmaine Solomon's Complete Asian Cookbook and expressed shock that I could take such poor care of my books. Honestly, I find the schmutz a tribute to their success.

What about you? Do you keep your cookbooks neat and clean? Or like me do you paint 'em with whatever's for dinner?
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#2 Rover

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 07:56 PM

My cookbooks tend to be a tribute to whatever I've been cooking. I used to go to all sorts of lengths to keep them pristine, but I've actually come to like the way an oft-used recipe looks in a well-loved and well used book.

I also make notes in the margins, at the foot of the pages, wherever necessary; those remain valuable and useful memory aids.

I try to be reasonably careful not to damage my books, but they're part of the cooking experience, too. I should add that I tend to look a little less than pristine myself while cooking. I often have more than one book open on the counter at the same time and flipping pages back and forth means fingerprints and foodstains.

My copy of Patricia Wells At Home in Provence has pages falling out and is held together with a large elastic band. My best used books fall open at my favourite recipes, filled with notations and "paint".

I can tell at a glance which books don't get used very often. They're very neat and clean.

I think I'll just go and wash my hands....

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#3 Fat Guy

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 09:24 PM

My cookbooks are mostly pristine. I almost never even bring them into the kitchen.

I rarely cook from recipes -- I use cookbooks more for ideas than for exact recipes. When I do cook from recipes, I most often work from modified versions of recipes, so I type them with the modifications and work from a sheet of paper that I can reprint anytime. For the few recipes I use verbatim (almost all of which are baking recipes, e.g., cornbread from the New Professional Chef), I just photocopy them -- I have one of those printer/copier/scanner multifunction machines so it's a simple matter to do this. I have too many cookbooks to go looking for a specific recipe when I need it -- the frequently used recipes are all in one place this way.

None of that is to take away anything from people whose cookbooks are a mess. I respect that lifestyle very much. It's just not how I cook or use cookbooks.

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#4 Pam R

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 09:44 PM

I'm right there with Steven. If I'm using a written recipe, I tend to copy it onto paper and take that into the kitchen.

#5 paulraphael

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 09:44 AM

I have a couple that are filthy, that I've used as recipe books in the kitchen when I'm lazy.

But most are clean, not counting my notes and post-its. I use them for reference.

Usually if i need help I consult a lot of sources (including books, and the fine people here) and develop my own recipe which I keep as a text file on the computer. This lets me take a printout into the kitchen, which I'll scribble all over with notes, then updated the file on the computer, and sometimes work through many revisions until I get it right.

This works great because I end up with a library of my own recipes on the computer, which can easily be printed or emailed to someone else, and are a snap to revise or convert to different quantities, etc.

#6 Human Bean

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 09:55 AM

The ones I don't use are clean. :smile: The others are mostly in good shape, except for The Joy of Cooking, which has partly destroyed it's binding by falling on the floor a few too many times.

Lately, I've been using printouts a lot when I need a roadmap when cooking - either a page off the web, or a scanned and printed page from a book - I have way too many of these printouts folded or otherwise placed inside the regular cookbooks.

Unfortunately, I'm really bad at making annotations ('more of this,' less of that') so many times when I go back to something unfamiliar, it's a new adventure again. :smile:

#7 Carolyn Tillie

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 09:56 AM

There is no memory like that of opening a cookbook four or five years later and seeing a splatter from a previously-prepared meal...

My *best* cookbooks have stains and history and heart.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:36 PM

Like several other posters, I mainly use my cookbooks for reference or ideas. Most of my cookbooks are in great condition.

The exceptions: any cookbook my mother owned previously (and I love every stain)
and any cookbook with a cookie, cake or pie recipe I have used. I am not much of a baker and try to follow those recipes exactly. So, they tend to get a little butter and flour on them. I don't mind. Stains=memories.
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#9 JohnRov

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:16 PM

I usually browse them for ideas and try to keep them out of the kitchen, but The Joy of Cooking was usually close by my side when I was learning and needed it so it's pretty battle-tested.

#10 Mayhaw Man

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:43 PM

I could probably boil most of my favorite cookbooks and make some pretty decent stock.
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#11 snowangel

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 02:05 PM

I love that certain pages of certain cookbooks just fall open to particular recipes because of the splatters and stains. When I'm long gone, my kids and their kids will have no trouble finding what were their favorites when they were kids...we call them badges of honor.

I use recipes far less now than I did back when I was a new cook, but there is something comforting about pulling out an old book, opening it up, even if I don't need to look at it!
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#12 ruthcooks

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 03:25 PM

My oldest cookbooks, pre-1960 versions of Betty Crocker and Better Homes and Gardens, are held together with duct tape. Joy of Cooking has lost half its index pages.

My cookbooks prior to 1985 have a lot more spatters and handwriting in them, simply because those years were the ones in which I did a lot more cooking. I was teaching myself to cook, having lots of company and being involved with restaurants and catering.

Now, I mostly jot down notes and bring them to the kitchen, where there's hardly room to cook, let alone find a place to set down a book. After I've made something new and it makes the cut, I enter it in my computer and from there on out, make a print out each time I make it. These I can tape to the wall or cabinet door for easy referral.

I don't really like to mess up books, but how else would I recognize a forgotten favorite if the book was pristine?
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#13 Marlene

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 03:38 PM

I almost always use a cookbook stand so that my books stay clean, otherwise, pages are liable to get sealed together because I'd close them before the spatters dried.
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Posted 12 February 2007 - 03:51 PM

Most of my cookbooks I read for pleasure, or ideas, or reference -- I don't follow directions well. But a few of them have pages gritty with flour or sugar, and my Mom's hand-me-down copy of the Betty Crocker Cooky Book has molasses and chocolate smudges on some our favorite recipes when we were kids.
I ordered a copy of the 1961 Betty Crocker Boys and Girls Cookbook from eBay for my daughters, and was glad to see that although the cover was clean and the binding was still tight, there were little smudges on some of the pages to give it that "lived-in" look.
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#15 JeanneCake

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 04:01 PM

Mine are clean from spatters, etc; but I do write notes in the margins and tips for the next time I make it. Recipes from childhood are copied from my mother's onto index cards and are in a steno book. I've had to tape the index cards down a few times because of aging....

My recipe book at work has each recipe typed (some have notes handwritten in) and each one is in a plastic sleeve kept in a binder. If there's ever an emergency, first grab The Book, then exit quickly :biggrin: I do have a second Book at home, but sometimes I have been teased about keeping a third one in a safety deposit box in a bank!

#16 annecros

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:18 AM

Both my volumes of the Doubleday Encyclopedia of Cookery are getting kind of fragile, full of hand written recipes as page markers for other recipes, and generally a mess.

My others, less so. My coffee table type cookbooks are pristine, as I don't care to lug them around.

#17 hummingbirdkiss

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 09:13 AM

I feel so validated here :) and am so glad I found this board!!!

seriously I have friends with pristine cookbooks and wonder how they do it!!!...when they come over and I am cooking their eyes roll...pages are stuck (I think making it easier to find my favorites mind you!) they just look at me in disgust sometimes ..or tease me relentlessly ..In my "curry drawer" (I have one huge drawer of curry spices and blends) ... I have a curry cookbook I love and a folder of pages of recipes I have gathered from interpreters at my work covered with" history" ...in my "baking cabinet".... I do the same thing keep pages of recipes and my favorite reference book ...I keep my recipes and books handy with the spices and stuff I use for making my favorite dishes...of course I have shelves of books in the hallway where I took over a closet to keep my books handy (and so I would not drag my mess all the way to another room looking for a recipe) ...I wash my hands constantly but during the use of my books food gets all over them ...my kids laugh and say when they inherit my cookbooks they will have the food right there to make sure they are doing the recipes correctly ..

so to answer your question ...my favorite books are trashed!!!!

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:21 PM

Mine used to be pristine and most of them still are but lately I've had the attitude they should show their use. Do I buy them to look pretty on the shelf? NO! I love old cookbooks from yard sales that have somebody's gramdma's notes penciled in and old clippings in them. I have a couple that I've started journaling in, leaving notes of what changes I've made and what occasion I made them for and how the evening went. I figure it might be interesting reading to someone someday after I'm gone. The beef bourguignon in my Les Halles cookbook, I find the page my flipping through and finding the stains. The one that's taken on the most color lately has been Making Artisan Chocolates by Andrew Shotts. Books look good and smell better in chocolate. :wink:

Edited by duckduck, 13 February 2007 - 03:21 PM.

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#19 Reefpimp

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 03:10 AM

I could probably boil most of my favorite cookbooks and make some pretty decent stock.

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"Tonight's special will be veal shanks with a Joy of Cooking reduction glase."

I'm more of a copy/print kind of guy, but I do have a couple fhat might make a decent fond.

I have a lot of respect for books as books; I would almost rather see a church bombed than a book underlined. However comma space, my favorite poetry and essay collections are heavily annotated by me (I drink) and so are my favorite recipes.


This whole love/hate thing would be a lot easier if it was just hate.

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#20 HannaBanana

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 03:19 AM

I feel so validated here :) and am so glad I found this board!!!


Incredible! Only last night was I scolded for tarnishing my cookbooks by my boyfriend, and asked why I didn't take better care of them. My favourite cookbooks are like my favourite jeans - sure they're a little worn, maybe they're a little stained, but each spot, and every tear means something to me!

Or maybe I'm just a bit messy....Great thread!

#21 K8memphis

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:46 AM

I have messy cookbooks but it has taken me years to get here. When I finally realized that the nuns would not chop the back of my hands with a ruler for sucha sin, ETalanian will know exactly what I'm talking about, I started making my notes and comments in the margins. Multiplications for larger/smaller quantities.

Plus I now add a little piece of folded scotch tape hanging off the favorite pages to mark the spot. Not that I couldn't follow the path of bread crumbs I left behind...

For the record, they never got me with the ruler thing but I had an older brother that rued the day when the ruler people started putting that metal edge on the wooden rulers!! Made a believer out of me!

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As well as recording favorite other recipes on the blank pages. Geez they'd probably use a compass on me for all that.



I could probably boil most of my favorite cookbooks and make some pretty decent stock.

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:laugh: Good one!

#22 ned

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 11:25 AM

Dirty. Verrrrry dirty.
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#23 Jean Blanchard

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 11:46 AM

Try as I might, I get them dirty even though I put them in a cookbook holder. Once, at a flea market, I saw a cookbook holder that fitted over the top of a cabinet door with a plastic cover just like the ones that you use on the countertop. I've never seen it since but I think it was a great concept. Should've jumped on it.

#24 Country Cook

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 04:59 PM

My old 70s edition J of C is dirty but now days I mostly use a cook book as a guide or entertainment. I also print recipes off the net. The newer books are pretty much pristine.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:26 PM

The condition of my cookbooks is directly connected to how often I've used them, and for what. The two volumes of "Mastering the Art of French Cooking," bought when I was a newlywed, likewise Hazan's first book, are missing their covers. Sure, I could replace them, but these books, and "Joy" (replaced once) taught me how to cook. They are diaries as important as those I kept while I was using them, and trust me, much more interesting!

I do a little better now -- and I try to remember to slap the book on the printer -- but you can still judge my cookbooks by their covers. I find that baking books suffer worst: all that splattering batter is better than bookbinder's paste. Cookbook holders are all very well, but if I have to turn a page, and I'm cookin' , the corners are besmirched and besmattered. Brooks could make stock boiling a few of his books; I could whip up a mess of pancake batter.

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#26 C. sapidus

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:52 PM

What about you? Do you keep your cookbooks neat and clean? Or like me do you paint 'em with whatever's for dinner?

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Out of curiosity I checked some of my oldest cookbooks. Dianne Kennedy and Rick Bayless sport faded yet festive stains from the chile spectrum. Julie Sahni proudly wears splotches of turmeric yellow. Most of the cookbooks fall open to favorite recipes, and all have been smudged and madly annotated. The paperback Joy of Cooking is the only one that has completely fallen apart, probably from poor binding rather than overuse.

Boiling my cookbooks would yield a meager yet spicy stock.

#27 meredithla

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 02:01 PM

I have the cookbook holder that doesn't get used enough for lack of counterspace. So my cookbooks look well-loved. I treasure the spots, stains and creased pages with my own notes and adjustments to recipes. I hope to pass them on to my kids one day. However, now with a computer in my kitchen I do more cooking off of recipes on it. Guess I'll have to pass on my hard drive to my kids one day!

#28 MarkIsCooking

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 02:04 PM

I'm neurotic enough that I like mine clean. Any recipe I really like, I put into my computer and just print off a copy when I use it (and then I don't care what happens to those printed copies).

Also, having them online makes them easy to share and to search to find something you're looking for.

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#29 JacobCooks

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 01:19 PM

Most of my cookbooks have some type of stain on them. One thing that happens quite often is when I'm bored I'll take a book off my shelf, and if it happens to be a baking or pastry book, flour will sort of dust my clothes LOL. I also have a spiralpbound notebook where I keep ideas and original recipes, that has to be my messiest book.

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 06:27 PM

I'm neurotic enough that I like mine clean.  Any recipe I really like, I put into my computer and just print off a copy when I use it (and then I don't care what happens to those printed copies).

Also, having them online makes them easy to share and to search to find something you're looking for.

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Mark,
I'm totally with you. I always type up my recipes as my method of going over them before I start. It keeps me focused so I don't miss a step or ingredient, which can happen when I just read it.
Additionally, it gives me a place to keep records of my experiences so I can learn from my mistakes. The next time I come back to prepare the dish, it helps to go over previous results so that the next iteration will be better.
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