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#31 Kerry Beal

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 06:12 AM

Oh hi ther,

Im going to apply for their Sept '08 pastry course.
Heard that the instructor will be Didier Averty
Does anyone know this chef?


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Check out post #18 in this very thread.

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 01:32 AM

Interesting that Web Radio du Gout announced the lauch of their new website which should have info on everything members would want to know.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 06:16 AM

Interesting that Web Radio du Gout announced the lauch of their new website which should have info on everything members would want to know.

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Unfortunately the new website is only new for the French programs ... it links to the old one when you are looking for info for international students (the Anglophone program). And the old one is pretty crappy if you ask me. The information is out of date - I wouldn't trust it.

Edited by CavePullum, 03 February 2008 - 06:16 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2008 - 05:34 PM

Hello,

I'm also going to apply at ESCF this year for the pastry program. Perhaps anybody can help me with this:

I've got already all documents for application, but I still have to transfer the fee. I wanna write Stephanie Curtis an email for getting the bank data to transfer.
Has anybody her email-adress and can send it to me?

It will be really nice and will help me a lot.

A lot of thanks in advance!
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 08:53 AM

Her email is stecurtis@aol.com

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 03:28 PM

Her email is stecurtis@aol.com

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Thanks a lot!!! Just one question more: Was whole application difficult for you, especially the essay?
I'm still unsure of mine, but perhaps I just take to much time for this!

Wish you a nice week.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 09:11 PM

give me your email and i will send you a copy of my application essay if you'd like

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 09:11 PM

A friend of mine did a three day best of course and enjoyed it a lot.
KM article

Check it out if you have the time.

Good Luck!
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Posted 17 March 2008 - 04:24 PM

A friend of mine did a three day best of course and enjoyed it a lot.
KM article

Check it out  if you have the time.

Good Luck!

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Thanks tan319!

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 01:33 AM

Hello all,

I just graduated from ESCF Ferrandi for the 9 month cuisine program. I did a one month stage in February, and then have another 5+month stage coming up. You can check out my blog here: http://joanpan.blogspot.com. It is pretty detailed in terms of photos and tests at Ferrandi. I did check out schools in Northern California where I am from, and also every school in Paris, and in NY. Ferrandi was signifigantly more impressive and more affordable. I have heard that they have had students drop out from LCB to attend Ferrandi, and that there is a long waitlist for the French students that want to attend. I did consider Bocuse but you have to be fluent in French and it is a 2+-year program.

I would suggest learning some French - not necessary but it helps. (I only took 6 weeks before I moved here but I can get by now). There were quite a few students that didn't know anything past "Merci" but now speak pretty decently. In this program, you definitely learn kitchen French well. You need this for your stages.

I have worked with Chefs: Didier Averty, Thierry Jamard, Sebastien De Massard (who was my chef for cuisine the whole year), and Stephane Gabrielly.

I am very happy to answer any questions: JoaneeBonee@gmail.com

I would suggest Ferrandi if you want a serious career in cooking or pastry. They prefer that over people that want to do it "just for fun." You definitely learn what hard work is. =)

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 02:48 AM

Joannee
That's very informative and thanks for taking the time to report.
Good luck on the next 5 months.
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 08:52 AM

Hello all,

I just graduated from ESCF Ferrandi for the 9 month cuisine program. I did a one month stage in February, and then have another 5+month stage coming up. You can check out my blog here: http://joanpan.blogspot.com. It is pretty detailed in terms of photos and tests at Ferrandi. I did check out schools in Northern California where I am from, and also every school in Paris, and in NY. Ferrandi was signifigantly more impressive and more affordable. I have heard that they have had students drop out from LCB to attend Ferrandi, and that there is a long waitlist for the French students that want to attend. I did consider Bocuse but you have to be fluent in French and it is a 2+-year program.

I would suggest learning some French - not necessary but it helps. (I only took 6 weeks before I moved here but I can get by now). There were quite a few students that didn't know anything past "Merci" but now speak pretty decently. In this program, you definitely learn kitchen French well. You need this for your stages.

I have worked with Chefs: Didier Averty, Thierry Jamard, Sebastien De Massard (who was my chef for cuisine the whole year), and Stephane Gabrielly.

I am very happy to answer any questions: JoaneeBonee@gmail.com

I would suggest Ferrandi if you want a serious career in cooking or pastry. They prefer that over people that want to do it "just for fun." You definitely learn what hard work is. =)

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Félicitations, Joanee, bien fait!
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Posted 17 January 2009 - 07:46 AM

Hey,
I'm applying for the sept 09 pastry course and I'm having major issues with my essay. If anyone could give me some advice that would really really help. Also what's is the admission process like? Is it very rigourous... or slightly chilled out...

Thanks!
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Posted 17 August 2009 - 08:16 AM

I'm in Paris for a week in September and would like to take a day or half day class possibly with a market tour with an English speaking teacher? Any recommendations?

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 08:04 PM

Is this a difficult school to get in to? I read somewhere that the last class of international students was the size of 20. What is the class crowd like? older, younger career changers?

BTW, I was looking in to the Olivier Bajard school which looks like a great program, with the exception that there doesn't seem to be a bread course.

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 04:40 PM

Recently, a board member sent to me a list of questions about ESCF Ferrandi. Although I feel my information is now quite dated, (I attended Ferrandi in 2003/4), it was requested that I post the answers here since others may find the info helpful. Here you go:


1) Is it really difficult for an American who knows NO French to make it through the program? ( I’m going to try to be accepted to next year's Baking and Pastry certificate program) (Which from this point on I am going to purchase Rosetta Stone or do something to teach me the basics anyways so I have a little time to learn something of the language!!)

That really depends on you. There was only one person in our class who spoke no French and he had a bad time of it, sort of. I mean, he did OK but it was very frustrating for him at times.

For learning French, I have found the absolute easiest way is from Pierre Capretz' French in Action series. Check out your local community college. Here in Portland, they teach from Capretz' books and videos, which may be available at your public library. The info is occasionally a bit dated (you NEVER say 'garçon' when trying to get the waiter's attention), but by-and-large you'll learn the vocabulary needed to function in everyday life. The books are essential, but you can view the videos for free at Learner.org French in Action .


2) I have NO professional experience and I don’t have much knowledge or even really know the basics of baking. Some might just think I’m curious or a hobbyist but its way more then that. I have wanted to bake for the longest time, I just have been hiding and running from it because I think I was part afraid of what people would think and also I always figured it was more of a women's thing! I don’t feel that way anymore. So, my question is (lol) if I have little to no experience am I stepping into a death trap (putting myself in position to basically fail)??

Baking is definitely NOT considered a "women's thing" in France. In fact, most chefs in France are men, though this is changing. My class was the first, I believe, where the women outnumbered the men by quite a bit - I was one of only two guys in the class.

Prior professional experience can help or hinder, depending on your attitude. Being open to learning and able to follow instruction are perhaps your most important attributes. They will really respect you if you work hard. Even if you're not the best in the class.


3) Obviously depending where I live would measure the distance to school, but I was more curious on the overall getting around the city. Is it pretty easy? Or does it take a good long while to figure it out? I’m assuming (which I definitely could be wrong) that you didn’t purchase or rent a car during your time there.

It's VERY easy to get around Paris. Such a beautiful city. I was quite happy to NOT own a car while living there. (Trust me, you do not want a car in Paris). You'll have the metro figured out in no time. Unless there's a strike (not an idle threat) you'll be fine. I used a couple of sites to locate an apartment: Sabbatical Homes and de Particulier-à-Particulier realtors , new listings out every Thursday morning. Completely in French, if I recall. But you have the advantage of being able to peruse the site from home with Google translate nearby... (just now saw that they have some English version which may be useful)

My apartment was in the 15th but only took about 15 minutes to walk to the school in the 6th.


4) I know there are a bunch of other programs going on at the school, but from your opinion when it came to the "cooking or baking" side what was the general age? I am 24 and although I am not going there for other people it would definitely be nice to be able to relate to people my age.

No, you're right on track for the age thing. I was the oldest in my class and I felt fine. We had folks as young as 21 with the average being around 24 or 25, I'd guess.

5) Is there a good amount of International students like I would be? Or are mostly people from France and surrounding areas?

In my class, we had students from all over: U.S., Mexico, India, Brazil, Japan, Israel, etc. We all spoke English best. Not any French students there since it is ostensibly a class for foreigners. But lots of French kids around in the vocational programs going on all over the school.

6) They already tell you what amount of hours you will be in class a week, but I know a lot of the times things don’t go as listed. Obviously no one would complain about a few minutes here and there but are they pretty well structured and stick to the agenda?

Things can be a bit disorganized. No doubt about it. But there'll be plenty of class time. And they'll give you a good foundation. One of my classmates wanted to take on extra projects and was allowed to do that. If you're really motivated, then you can get a lot out of the program.

7) Also I noticed we have to work on the campus restaurant? Is it the equal amount of time we spend in there for cuisine students as pastry students? Do the time we spend there count as the hours they outlined or is that "extra" time we have to come in when we would really be off campus? How often are we required to work there?

When I was there, we didn't work in the restaurant, per se. Rather, stuff that we made during class, and there was a lot of it, would be used to supplement the meals made by the restaurant staff, outsourced to the lowest-bidder catering company.

8) Just like regular school back home we make friends in the class and on campus, but what was your experience with meeting other people outside of the school? I know a lot depends on your personality and how out going you are, and I am that type, but I was just curious how hard it was to meet people out there?

Paris is a big city. And a lot depends on your attitude. There are cultural differences between Americans and the French. You know, I think that at your age it won't be too difficult to meet others. People are a lot less formal, esp. in their 20s, than you may have been led to believe.

9) How was the cafeteria food they provide?

Nasty. Kinda ironic, eh? But that's not a reflection on the level of instruction you will receive. It's about the external catering company being the low bidder. It was explained to me that the students could not be expected to turn out the amount of food needed to run a cafeteria on a daily basis. The cafeteria people were by far the rudest folks I encountered in France. If I had to serve food like that, I'd be grouchy and mean, too!

10) The certificate I would achieve on successful completion of the program is it the same as the one I would get from any other baking school in America? Is it recognizable here? Or is it more of just a good thing to have in France if I decided I wanted to stay out there?

Don't really know the answer to that one. If you decide to stay in France, however, you'll have to go a LOT further and pass language tests, etc. CAP or BEP? I forget.

For the U.S., I think it’s mostly about what you can do in the kitchen. I know that there are some degreed programs here that will do absolutely nothing as far as getting a job; in fact, some may even be a detriment to finding employment...


11) During the internship do we get paid at all? And do they treat you as a "slave" because they know you are in and out in a certain amount of months, or do you really learn more? And does it help your career?

Yes, they treat you like a slave. No, you do not get paid (usually). Yes, they're quite QUITE rude. There's a lot of histrionics involved. (Being really fluent in French can be greatly useful here, allowing you to react with humor and diffuse a bad situation, possibly, rather than just be dumped on). But, I think the stage (internship) is essential. You will learn SO MUCH. You will learn how to do it, how to do it perfectly, how to do it FAST. That can only help your career.

12) I know they provide you with ideas or connections on housing out there. My question is did you use their resources or did you end up trying to find something on your own? Everyone standards are different but what was your experience renting? They give suggestions of a basic amount of money you would spend, from 500, to 800, to 1000 Euros. If it’s not too personal what did you choose? And how was it? And what would you recommend?

I looked at several things suggested by the school but none were, ummm, places that I'd want to live. I'm a bit older and perhaps not quite as flexible... You can try http://www.pap.fr or even http://sabbaticalhomes.com/ (see above) which turned up a 1 BR apt. for about 1000euro/mo. I had a roommate, so that worked out fine. Check with the school and they may be able to pair you up with someone.

By the way, if you can afford it I would highly recommend finding a place with a view (even a partial view) of the Eiffel Tower. My apt. didn’t have a view and I do regret that!


13) Did you decide to stay out there for a whole or did you come back to the United States right away?

I traveled quite a bit while in Paris. It's very easy to do since Paris is very centrally located - a real hub. I traveled a bit before, during and after the program was over. Some of my classmates stayed longer to do extra stages. It was really tempting to stay longer, but I returned to Portland, which is also a very nice city.

14) Besides obvious tourists locations the Eiffel Tower, cathedrals and things of that nature, in your free time was there a lot of stuff to do? Like out here tons of malls, movie theatres, sporting events, clubs, etc…

TONS of stuff to do in Paris. You'll only be able to do a small fraction of what's available. All kinds of stuff. Club and bars and restaurants? Certainly. Movies, of course. Do you roller blade? Want to join several thousand others on Friday night to roll around Paris streets? There's a group for that. In Paris, no one is without the current issue of Pariscope. For shopping, Paris Pas Cher (in French) is indispensable.

But you probably won’t have time for any of that since you’ll be trying to figure out that multi-page contract you just signed to get a cell phone...( :unsure: ).


15) And speaking of free time was there much of it? Or was there always A LOT of homework? Just curious if you get to keep a healthy medium between work and play. Sometimes, I get overwhelmed with things and it’s nice to know hey I’ll have the weekend off or just have time to unwind a little.

Very little homework to speak of. The school provided us with a "deal" on some reference books published by a couple of the schools professors back in the 80s. Very little has changed and I still use the books a lot today. There are 4 volumes. Here's a link to French Professional Pastry Series Vol 1: Doughs, Batters and Meringues.

16) If you could make your decisions all over again knowing what you know, would you do it?

I would have done it a lot sooner...

17) What was your experience with baking before actually going to the school?

Just a home baker.

18) Based on the little bit that you know about me now as far as experience, and what not, do you think I could make it out there? Or am I way over my head and I’m better off attending something out here?

Seriously, if I could do it, anyone can. But you understand that I'm not a professional baker, right. I'm just into chocolates and confections. I mainly took the class because I wanted to fully explore the possibility of being a pastry chef. I enjoy baking but right now, it's chocolate.

Le Notre has a very nice school about 1/2 hour outside of Paris, I hear, and that might be a possibility for you. And Bellouet Conseil (in the 15th), I've heard good things about. Probably many others. But I think you'd enjoy Ferrandi (ESCF) the most.

Being in central Paris really is preferable, at least socially, than some of the other options. Keep in mind that they all offer short term classes as well. I don't think I expected the level of instruction at Ferrandi to be quite so high. They're really good and very well connected when you go to do your stage. They have the top contacts in Paris. Students in our class went to George V, Plaza Athenee, Mulot, Hotel de Crillon, Le Meurice, etc.

In the U.S., you should look at The French Pastry School in Chicago. Excellent program, last time I looked; great facility, great city.


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Posted 14 November 2009 - 01:28 AM

That's for the reply, john.

Class starts in February and I haven't heard from them so my gut is telling me I didn't get in. I'm thinking about The French pastry school or CIA Greystone (2nd choice because it's in state). Or maybe Ritz Escoffier. My heart is set on Ferrandi, but I don't know if I'm patient enough to wait until the next term in September. And then I don't get in again and I waste another year.

I really like French Culinary Institute, but the tuition is too scary.

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#48 John DePaula

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:00 AM

That's for the reply, john.

Class starts in February and I haven't heard from them so my gut is telling me I didn't get in. I'm thinking about The French pastry school or CIA Greystone (2nd choice because it's in state). Or maybe Ritz Escoffier. My heart is set on Ferrandi, but I don't know if I'm patient enough to wait until the next term in September. And then I don't get in again and I waste another year.

I really like French Culinary Institute, but the tuition is too scary.

Ah non, non, non! Les Americains, boh! (tongue in cheek, of course :smile: )

Don't assume that you didn't get in because you haven't heard from them. You need to be patient, polite and persistent. Contact them again. If Stephanie Curtis is still associated with the school, ask to speak with her. She's from the U.S., so there won't be any language issues.

Bon courage!
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 03:05 PM

Many years ago, I had met Germany's youngest master chef, and he had suggested École Supérieure de Cuisine Française (ESCF), because Alain Ducasse was associated with that school. I could not afford living in France for a year, so I researched schools in the U.S., and decided to attend GRCC. It is the only community college listed by Pastry's Best Magazine. The Pastry Instructor is Gilles Renusson, CMPC.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 06:46 AM

Salut a tous! I have learned a lot from this topic! Thank you! In fact, I have applied the pastry course in ESCF in september 2010. Now I am waiting for the results. I will follow up this thread on the progress. :biggrin:

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 05:04 PM

Salut a tous! I have learned a lot from this topic! Thank you! In fact, I have applied the pastry course in ESCF in september 2010. Now I am waiting for the results. I will follow up this thread on the progress. :biggrin:

Yes, please do let us know. Bon chance!

And of course, we'd also be interested in hearing about how the year progresses.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 08:12 PM

Well, I didn't get in the first time since I posted, but I did get in this time! :) for the september session.


Is anyone here going to be my classmate?

So far, I'm using Capretz videos for french. But then I found Learn French by Podcast which is free on itunes, except for the pdf files which you need to pay for. I'm liking it better than French in Action. It's very VERY good. It's sort of immersion like FnA but not as "sink or swim" because it'll also break down the conversation in English.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 05:25 AM

Congratulations! I wish I could be your classmate.

But unfortunately, I was not accepted, they put me in the waiting list. Maybe I applied a little late. If still no luck, I will apply for the next session.
Both English and French are not my mother tongue. I speak Chinese. Now I am learning french in Alliance Francaise in Beijing. I think the course there are the best I can find in China. We use the books Alter Ego. I will look for Capretz videos.



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Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:50 PM

Hi sonia,

Go to learner.org where you can watch the whole series of French in Action online for free.

I was put on the waiting list too last year. I think someone cancelled and Stephanie emailed me and others to see if anyone could take advantage of the slot. Unfortunately it was one month away from starting class and I couldn't possibly make the move in time. So there is hope while on the waiting list.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:07 AM

Hi sonia,

Go to learner.org where you can watch the whole series of French in Action online for free.

I was put on the waiting list too last year. I think someone cancelled and Stephanie emailed me and others to see if anyone could take advantage of the slot. Unfortunately it was one month away from starting class and I couldn't possibly make the move in time. So there is hope while on the waiting list.



Thank you! I saw the site, it's very nice, but I can't watch the video. Because it's only available in the US and Canada.

And thank you for the information. I can't make the move in a month either. I wish someone will cancel earlier. :wink:

Have a nice time in Paris!

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 08:38 AM


Hi sonia,

Go to learner.org where you can watch the whole series of French in Action online for free.

I was put on the waiting list too last year. I think someone cancelled and Stephanie emailed me and others to see if anyone could take advantage of the slot. Unfortunately it was one month away from starting class and I couldn't possibly make the move in time. So there is hope while on the waiting list.



Thank you! I saw the site, it's very nice, but I can't watch the video. Because it's only available in the US and Canada.

And thank you for the information. I can't make the move in a month either. I wish someone will cancel earlier. :wink:

Have a nice time in Paris!

I have no idea what the library situation is in China, but you may be able to find the course materials, videos, audio tapes, & books, at your local library. Best of luck to you!
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:19 AM

Thank you, John DePaula. :rolleyes: There is a library in the French Culture Center here. I can find a lot of materials for learning.
I plan to learn the language in France this fall. Maybe I will find a internship in the pastry shop in order to know this filed in advance. I am a novice of pastry. I worked in the press before, I bake at home in my spare time. My dream is to open a pastry shop in Beijing. Now I want to change my career and to chase my dream.

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 05:36 AM

Hi there,

I'd like to reopen this post to find out how the pastry program went/is going for you at Ferrandi? Would be great to hear from a recent grad/student as I'm planning to apply for the Sept session and am trying to decide between a few schools in France!

Thanks

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 11:57 AM

I graduated from there. The great thing about Ferrandi is that it's pretty good for getting the feel for what it's like to work in a patisserie. I work in a patisserie now, but I thought school was harder and much more demanding. In other words, it prepares you very well. Nothing was foreign when I started working. By the way, the connections for the apprenticeship are amazing. 3 star michelins, renown boutiques, I think every one in my class got their first choice.





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