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#121 C. sapidus

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:26 AM

Do the following items fit the cake/pie dichotomy, or do they break free of enforced bifurcation and stand proudly alone as unclassified desserts:

Baklava: Cake? Multi-crust pie?

Flan: Per Miz Ducky’s criterion, does melted caramel count as crust? Does it matter if the flan is served in the baking container (“crust” on the bottom) or unmolded and flipped? It seems wrong that turning a pie upside-down would transform it into a cake. The same question would apply to crumbles and cobblers.

Butterscotch pudding

Cinnamon rolls: Is bread different than cake?

Shortbread: Are cookies cake, or are they cookies?

Whatever the ruling, I’m not giving up crisps, crumbles, or cobblers, especially during berry season. If necessary, I would add a crust to carrot cake, thereby transforming it into pie. Actually, carrot cake with a gingery, crunchy crust sounds interesting – too bad I’m a lousy baker.

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#122 Parmhero

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:45 AM

Cheesecake IS pie. 

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Cheesecake is CAKE.

For those who categorize cheesecake as a pie based on an affinity of pumpkin pie and other custard pies, the analogy is inaccurate and misapplied. Pumpkin pies and other custard pies do not reach the heights that certain cheesecakes attain. Many cheesecake recipes include flour. Ever see, and hopefully eat, a Carnegie Deli cheescake?

http://www.carnegied.....li Cheesecake

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#123 Jason Perlow

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:53 AM

Okay, but what about FRIED PIES?

http://offthebroiler...big-pie-videos/

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No offence Jason, but those are massed produced. The best ones are found made by little old ladies at fairs and bluegrass festivals.

The best ones I ever had were at a bluegrass festival at Horse Pens Fortyin Alabama. Damn those were good! Amazing cat head biscuits, too. But, that is for another thread...

Something like these.

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Well, I would hardly call Simon Hubig a mass production operation. They are a pretty small family business, and their output is nothing like what a large, multi-state commercial baker with a dozen bakeries like Drake's Cakes.
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#124 Jason Perlow

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:56 AM

Okay, but what about FRIED PIES?

http://offthebroiler...big-pie-videos/

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What about em? A pie's a pie. Fried, baked, boiled, broiled, broasted, roasted, braised, or burnt. Whatever.

Pies are still just a big pile of goo compared to a delicious, well thought out and executed cake. Cook those pies however you like. Eat some. Then look across the room at that guy with that big hunk of cake-that's the guy who will have the smile of the righteous on his face. He knows.

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Sure, like this guy, eating a PIE.

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#125 FabulousFoodBabe

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:13 AM

How long will this thread be up, any guesses? I'd like to reregister under about fifteen fake names and pump up the PIE contingent.

I like to think that the Pie side is just so confident in their superiority -- and so busy eating pie -- that they don't have time to post.

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#126 gini

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:18 AM

This discussion is one a certain group of friends and I have been having for a few years now, however ours veers slightly. We are trying to find evidence to support our claim that men prefer pie while women prefer cake. Other than eating a lot of desserts together, we have come to no discernable theory.

That being said, I'm for pie. Preferably walnut or ricotta.

Carrot cake is the only type of cake I truly enjoy.

Especially the dry Italian ricotta ones.

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Where ever have you been eating ricotta pie? Good lord. It's not dry at all.

Frosting is a bit like cocktails, mostly enjoyed by women and the sexually ambiguous.

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Now frosting WITHOUT cake? Sign me up. Straight out of the bowl. Butter cream, cream cheese, you name it. But no cake for god's sake.
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#127 Marlene

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:20 AM

Are brownies cake? If so, pie hasn't got a chance. :biggrin:
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#128 Mayhaw Man

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:21 AM

This discussion is one a certain group of friends and I have been having for a few years now, however ours veers slightly.  We are trying to find evidence to support our claim that men prefer pie while women prefer cake. 

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I am a man. Spelled M....A....N. No B...O...Y. (apologies to Muddy)

I like cake.

Theory shot to hell.
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:25 AM

This discussion is one a certain group of friends and I have been having for a few years now, however ours veers slightly.  We are trying to find evidence to support our claim that men prefer pie while women prefer cake. 

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I am a man. Spelled M....A....N. No B...O...Y. (apologies to Muddy)

I like cake.

Theory shot to hell.

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Thanks for the update. I was concerned, but thankfully, my fears have been abetted.
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#130 christine007

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:29 AM

Best.Thread. Ever. too funny!
oh, and by the way, PIE!
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#131 Mayhaw Man

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:32 AM

This discussion is one a certain group of friends and I have been having for a few years now, however ours veers slightly.  We are trying to find evidence to support our claim that men prefer pie while women prefer cake. 

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I am a man. Spelled M....A....N. No B...O...Y. (apologies to Muddy)

I like cake.

Theory shot to hell.

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Thanks for the update. I was concerned, but thankfully, my fears have been abetted.

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Just keeping things clear. Clarity is all important in this form of information exchange. :wink:

But, you know, it seems to me that you might have a leg to stand on. Tonight I will go through this thing and try and count the votes (though some people, despite my explicit warning, seem to have a hard time getting off of the fence and making up their minds) but it looks to me like men DO prefer pie. I'll try to get a more scientific count later in the evening.
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#132 Toliver

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:35 AM

Channeling here...
[jinmyo] Cake? Pie? Gah. Neither. Steak. Rare.[/jinmyo] :wink:

Marlene,
I think Texas Brownies qualify as cake. Very cake-like and topped with chocolate frosting with walnuts in it.
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#133 bavila

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:47 AM

Cake. Hands down.

Cake in the mornin'
Cake in the evenin'
Cake at noontime.
And in between. :wink:

I'm generally not a fan of excessive sauce, goo, gravy, whatever. For me, it's a texture thing. Pie, even custard pie, just feels a little sloppy on my tongue. And don't be mounding a bunch of sauce on top of my cake! Whipped cream is acceptable though.

Plus, cake's just really a type of bread, which is also one of my favorite things.

What the hell is that quote about cake being high-falluttin' and pie being homey? It's driving me crazy. Was it from Michael Lee West or Edna Lewis?

My neighbor and I have an ongoing friendly cooking/baking competition. She definitely wins on the baking side. Here's what she baked me for my birthday (as previously pictured in the PMS thread). A chocolate stout (as in Guinness) cake.


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#134 scordelia

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:55 AM

I prefer cake. I don't make pie even for Thanksgiving (much to the consternation of my in-laws). Instead, I make a cake--a sweet potato and cranberry cake with cream cheese icing.

Cakes just seem more special, and I love to bake them. Pies, oh well, I like some--a real blueberry or peach, strawberry rhubarb, and lemon or keylime. That's the end. I refuse to eat an apple pie, but I like apple tarts. Pies are too big, too sweet, too gluey. Let me eat cake! :wub:
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#135 Mayhaw Man

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 12:07 PM

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The Caramel Cake that started this whole mess(sorry for the rough icing job, but I no longer have a turntable).

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Remains. Most of it was gone by the end of the evening and the remains were part of a healthy breakfast the next day.

Cake. It's better than pie.
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#136 Katie Nell

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 12:13 PM

So, what are the totals so far?
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:12 PM

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The Caramel Cake that started this whole mess(sorry for the rough icing job, but I no longer have a turntable).

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You are mean. :sad: Mean :sad: , mean :sad: , mean :sad: . Where's the recipe, already? :wub:

That looks sooooooooo good.

I have a wonderful date cake recipe I could post in exchange...

I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours! :laugh:

#138 ludja

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:22 PM

I bake and like both pies and cakes, and as I think we agree on, we are comparing good cakes and good pies, but if I had to pick one.... it would definately be CAKE.. I like Varmint's comment about following fruit and other produce through the seasons with pie, but the variety of cake styles is so much greater and can also utilize all the bounty of the seasons.

I love homey unfrosted cakes like lemon, ginger, apple, plum, almond, poppyseed or walnut. Poundcakes, angelfood, upside down cakes, fruitcakes...

I love grand, over the top American and Southern layer cakes like caramel, pecan, coconut, orange and cheesecake.

As people on the board probably already have a hint of, I love extravagant but less sweet Austrian/Hungarian tortes--Dobos, Punsch, Strawberry Cream, Chocolate-Hazelnut, Chestnut, Poppyseed, Malakoff Cream, Nut Meringues, etc., etc.

And then there's French Gateaux including chocolate and mousse cakes, Spanish Almond and Citrus Cakes, Italian Ricotta, Hazelnut and Almond Cakes, English Fruitcakes.

Cakes to suit all moods and tastes and times of day. They can be eaten with coffee, tea, dessert wines, milk. They can be served with custard or fruit sauces, whipped cream or ice cream. There is a whole world of cakes you cake-naysayers are missing.

A good pie is a very, very nice thing, but cakes can range from humble to divine.

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What the hell is that quote about cake being high-falluttin' and pie being homey?  It's driving me crazy.  Was it from Michael Lee West or Edna Lewis?
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This may not be what you’re thinking of, but it was my sig line for awhile (I don't think it covers all occasions, but I liked the ring of it):

Cakes are fancy-ass, honey. Pie is home."
-- Idella Johnson, Veteran Pie Baker, as quoted in Classic Home Desserts by Richard Sax

(I would categorize baklava as a pastry.)

and…if I was going to trash talk the pie lovers… I’d say,
“Cakes rule, now shut your pie-hole!” :smile:

Edited by ludja, 27 April 2006 - 01:36 PM.

"Under the dusty almond trees, ... stalls were set up which sold banana liquor, rolls, blood puddings, chopped fried meat, meat pies, sausage, yucca breads, crullers, buns, corn breads, puff pastes, longanizas, tripes, coconut nougats, rum toddies, along with all sorts of trifles, gewgaws, trinkets, and knickknacks, and cockfights and lottery tickets."

-- Gabriel Garcia Marquez, 1962 "Big Mama's Funeral"


#139 slkinsey

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:27 PM

Apple
Blackberry
Blueberry
Buttermilk
Chess
Chicago Style "Pizza" (which I consider more of a pie than a pizza)
Chocolate
Coconut
Cream
Frangipane
Key Lime
Lemon Meringue
Molasses
Peach
Pear
Pecan
Quiche (what is this if not a pie?)
Raspberry
Rhubarb
Ritz Cracker
Shoe Sly
Strawberry
Sugar
Tarte Tatin
Vinegar
Various combinations of the above


What could it be, if not pie?
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#140 hsm

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:31 PM

That's why the Lord made pie-holes. (And I mean that in the good way.)

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:33 PM

Except for maybe the deep dish pizza, Ritz Crackers and vinegar, I'd make you lovely varieties of cakes out of any of those ingredients. Each single ingredient could provide a delcious array of different cake styles.

I do cherish savory and sweet tarts, although I wouldn't call them pies for this discussion. (a favorite subject of an old thread, I know.)

Edited by ludja, 27 April 2006 - 01:38 PM.

"Under the dusty almond trees, ... stalls were set up which sold banana liquor, rolls, blood puddings, chopped fried meat, meat pies, sausage, yucca breads, crullers, buns, corn breads, puff pastes, longanizas, tripes, coconut nougats, rum toddies, along with all sorts of trifles, gewgaws, trinkets, and knickknacks, and cockfights and lottery tickets."

-- Gabriel Garcia Marquez, 1962 "Big Mama's Funeral"


#142 MomOfLittleFoodies

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:51 PM

I like both actually. Cake is my spring and summer choice, pie for fall and winter.
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#143 Parmhero

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:57 PM

For all the pie people, here's a great sweet potato pecan pie recipe from Paul Prudhomme. I've made it a few times. It's fab.

http://www.chefpaul....pes/SPPPie.html
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#144 FabulousFoodBabe

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:07 PM

Apple
Blackberry
Blueberry
Buttermilk
Chess
Chicago Style "Pizza" (which I consider more of a pie than a pizza)
Chocolate
Coconut
Cream
Frangipane
Key Lime
Lemon Meringue
Molasses
Peach
Pear
Pecan
Quiche (what is this if not a pie?)
Raspberry
Rhubarb
Ritz Cracker
Shoe Fly
Strawberry
Sugar
Tarte Tatin
Vinegar
Various combinations of the above


What could it be, if not pie?

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#145 melonpan

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:12 PM

I like both actually. Cake is my spring and summer choice, pie for fall and winter.

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#146 Mayhaw Man

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:47 PM

I like both actually. Cake is my spring and summer choice, pie for fall and winter.

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Good point. Thanks for handling this.

No fence sitting allowed. Step up and make a choice (it doesn't mean that you can't eat both, it just means that, well, you are opinionated. In a good way. :wink: )
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#147 Jason Perlow

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:50 PM

What's the consensus on Ice Cream cake?

Or Boston Creme Pie? Isn't that a cake?

Can you still have a cake if it is surrounded by Pate Brissee?

Edited by Jason Perlow, 27 April 2006 - 02:52 PM.

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#148 Mayhaw Man

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:55 PM

What's the consensus on Ice Cream cake?

Or Boston Creme Pie? Isn't that a cake?

Can you still have a cake if it is surrounded by Pate Brissee?

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Well, I think that

ice cream cake-cake (they just neatly include the ice cream along with the cake)

Boston Cream Pie-cake (but a big gooey mess-even the really good ones-imo)

Can you still have a cake if it is surrounded by Pate Brissee?


Ok with me.

Also, blancmange (I saw it up there for a minute)-I'm thinking more in the gelatin/custardy category, kind of like flan. Not cake. Not pie. Good nevertheless.
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#149 Jason Perlow

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:57 PM

Lets not confuse the issue with the Blancmanges. Puddings or Souffle even.
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#150 flour girl

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 03:01 PM

CAKE! (But for the record, dh and the men on his side of the family prefer pie. Splitters!) :rolleyes:





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