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#1 Capaneus

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 06:46 PM

Went Friday. Great food, with one exception: they use the smoker to keep items warm, and smoked bread and apple pie are not my speed. On the other hand, Mr. Stern has very clearly kept the skill he displayed at Le Bec-Fin. An appetizer of Moroccan-spiced braised lamb paired with raw toro was lovely, the seemingly mismatched flavors bridged by cucumber in different iterations: a little mound of puree and a few raw, lightly seasoned slices; I wasn't allowed to touch the risotto fries - apparently too tasty for the likes of me; the skate was delicious, very straightforward preparation, but perfectly executed; duck two ways was likewise delightful. Etc, etc. You get the point: food good, and I would trust this kitchen with *anything* on the menu.

Before you think I'm just shilling for them, though, I have *major* problems with the rest of the Gayle experience. I should say, before continuing, that every staff person we dealt with was perfectly lovely, curteous, helpful and personable. So when I say the place was completely intolerable- at 9:30pm, yet -, you should visualize Azafran that was, then double the number of tables: the space is so infernally crowded, our twosome actually became a foursome, as making new intimate friends was much the better option, since I wasn't able to move without elbowing our neighbors. A server actually did elbow me in the back of the head. I spent a good quarter-hour waiting to be spoken to, on first arriving, and furthermore spent that time trying to negotiate with sundry arrivals and departures for the use of the four square inches of floor available to us all. Blood was not shed, but it was a close-run thing. We were not given the amuse-bouche other tables were offered, most likely because the servers were in permanent overdrive. While these nice young men and women were pleasant and helpful, they clearly did not have the training or experience that allows the staff at La Viola (the only other restaurant in town I think may be as crowded) to minimize the damage to the eating experience.

All in all, I am glad I tasted chef Stern's food, but if I return it will be on an off-day and at an off-time. For the $130 I dropped, not including the wine, I need a bit more space, physically and mentally.

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#2 Buckethead

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 08:10 PM

All in all, I am glad I tasted chef Stern's food, but if I return it will be on an off-day and at an off-time. For the $130 I dropped, not including the wine, I need a bit more space, physically and mentally.

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I went the second day they were open and didn't have to deal with any of the crowd issues, thankfully. I also didn't notice a smoky taste in anything that wasn't supposed to have it, maybe our meals didn't need to be kept warm. The food is excellent, though. We had the beef croquettes and the risotto fingers, both were outstanding. Our entrees were a little on the small side, and not quite as fabulous as the apps, but still great. Did you bring a bottle of wine, or did they finally get their liquor license? We took our own bottle when we went since they weren't serving wine yet, and last I heard they were still waiting for their license.

I don't know if you found out while you were there, but they do reservations and the prix fixe only Friday through Sunday (or maybe it starts on Thursday, I forget). Early in the week you can just walk in, and it's a la carte. Of course, whether you'd actually be able to sit down is another matter..

#3 Capaneus

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 09:27 PM

All in all, I am glad I tasted chef Stern's food, but if I return it will be on an off-day and at an off-time. For the $130 I dropped, not including the wine, I need a bit more space, physically and mentally.

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I went the second day they were open and didn't have to deal with any of the crowd issues, thankfully. I also didn't notice a smoky taste in anything that wasn't supposed to have it, maybe our meals didn't need to be kept warm. The food is excellent, though. We had the beef croquettes and the risotto fingers, both were outstanding. Our entrees were a little on the small side, and not quite as fabulous as the apps, but still great. Did you bring a bottle of wine, or did they finally get their liquor license? We took our own bottle when we went since they weren't serving wine yet, and last I heard they were still waiting for their license.

I don't know if you found out while you were there, but they do reservations and the prix fixe only Friday through Sunday (or maybe it starts on Thursday, I forget). Early in the week you can just walk in, and it's a la carte. Of course, whether you'd actually be able to sit down is another matter..

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The prix fixe is just Friday and Saturday, and in this case not necessarily a great deal. Though, actually, since the five-course is *any* five courses, those of boundless appetites could do quite well (you listening, Herb?); and the three courses for forty is reasonable. So money isn't a real issue, though the liquor license - not yet arrived - will probably nudge them out of my comfort zone.

But the crowding is simply insane, and, given the tabling, it's an actual darn *choice* by management, which irks me: it isn't fair to anyone, not the customers, not the servers, not even Chef Stern, whose food deserves better.

And the smoker thing was generally acknowledged the night we were there, but only seemed to apply to a few baked goods (and the steak, where it was advertised and welcome).

Thing is, the place is *really* good, foodwise, which is the only reason I bothered railing at the other stuff. It's just silly. I guess they're trying to recoup the investment, what with the liquor license and all, but it could easily backfire. Just now there's a lot of see-and-be-seen folks coming in, but they could alienate the rest of us with a couple of visits like mine, and the Pretty People will find a new Flavor of the Month and move on...

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 11:41 PM

The prix fixe is just Friday and Saturday, and in this case not necessarily a great deal. Though, actually, since the five-course is *any* five courses, those of boundless appetites could do quite well (you listening, Herb?); and the three courses for forty is reasonable.

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Yes, I'm listening. How much is the five-course rprix fixe?
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#5 Capaneus

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 05:34 AM


The prix fixe is just Friday and Saturday, and in this case not necessarily a great deal. Though, actually, since the five-course is *any* five courses, those of boundless appetites could do quite well (you listening, Herb?); and the three courses for forty is reasonable.

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Sixty. Which sounds high. Until you think "Five entrees for twelve bucks apiece"...

Not sure they'd let you get away with it, but the menu does say *any* five menu items.

#6 mrbigjas

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 07:58 AM

took that cue from lacroix. i love it. for a non-dessert-eater like me, the option to have two apps instead is very attractive.

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 01:03 PM


The prix fixe is just Friday and Saturday, and in this case not necessarily a great deal. Though, actually, since the five-course is *any* five courses, those of boundless appetites could do quite well (you listening, Herb?); and the three courses for forty is reasonable.

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Sixty. Which sounds high. Until you think "Five entrees for twelve bucks apiece"...

Not sure they'd let you get away with it, but the menu does say *any* five menu items.

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I think that's pretty good either way. Even if you only went with the middle 3 as entrees, that's still a decent deal.

Remember way back when, when Studiokitchen was only $50 for 4 courses?
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#8 Capaneus

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 05:09 PM


The prix fixe is just Friday and Saturday, and in this case not necessarily a great deal. Though, actually, since the five-course is *any* five courses, those of boundless appetites could do quite well (you listening, Herb?); and the three courses for forty is reasonable.

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Yes, I'm listening. How much is the five-course prix fixe?

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Sixty. Which sounds high. Until you think "Five entrees for twelve bucks apiece"...

Not sure they'd let you get away with it, but the menu does say *any* five menu items.

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I think that's pretty good either way. Even if you only went with the middle 3 as entrees, that's still a decent deal.

Remember way back when, when Studiokitchen was only $50 for 4 courses?

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Yup. And it usually was five courses anyway. Good times, good times.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 07:48 AM

For what it's worth, someone I know talked to someone at Gayle about the cramped seating and apparently they did not add any seats to the place, they just made the tables bigger. So that's why it seems more crowded.

#10 Capaneus

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 10:09 AM

For what it's worth, someone I know talked to someone at Gayle about the cramped seating and apparently they did not add any seats to the place, they just made the tables bigger. So that's why it seems more crowded.

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Huh... I'm willing to believe I may be wrong (as if! :raz: ), but I was fairly familiar with Azafran, and I definitely think they *have* added seats. They've also added floor space, with a revised layout, but not nearly proportionally.

In any case, the problem remains - there isn't enough space for patrons to eat or servers to serve - and I think that in time they will be forced to deal with it.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 01:40 PM

I live right around the corner from Gayle and pass by it almost daily. Though I haven't been inside yet, I too was quite familiar with Azafran's layout. At one time Azafran was one of my favorite neighborhood places. At least from what can be seen from the street, it definitely looks like there's more bodies jammed in that front room than there used to be.

Capaneus wrong about something??? Pffft! :biggrin:
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 06:30 AM

Does anyone know for how much longer Gayle will be a pre-licensed BYOB? Thanks in advance....

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 04:10 PM

Does anyone know for how much longer Gayle will be a pre-licensed BYOB?  Thanks in advance....

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From the answers I got, I don't believe *they* are entirely sure.

#14 mattkantor

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Posted 25 December 2005 - 12:40 PM

Gayle now has a liquor license. We serve mostly wines form the Northwest along with a sampling from the rest of the world. We have a wide selection of wines available by-the-glass, and the prices are fairly reasonable. We serve a few different beers and maintain a full bar. We plan on making some infused vodkas and such down the road. I do not know the policy on corkage fees. I'll keep you posted as I know more. I work in the kitchen, making starters, snacks and pastries - so I don't always know what is happening in the dining room.

As for the seating, I can tell you that the tables are bigger than those at Azafran. We ordered all new tabletops which were six inches wider than the old ones. As it is, people have been ordering so much food it almost doesnt fit on these tables!

For the menu, order any five items you want - no rules. However, I find the pastries to be as interesting and delicious as the entrees. The Three course menu is $42 and the five-course menu is $60. You can always do four or six courses: $42 (3-course)+$8 (dessert) = $50, etc.
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#15 KatieLoeb

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Posted 25 December 2005 - 06:48 PM

Matt:

Thanks for the clarification. Nice to have an "insider" answering our questions for us.

Welcome. Glad you decided to come out of "lurkdom" and post! You've got some catching up to do on posting so keep us informed about Gayle and about your other favorites around town. I'm always happy to see more professional voices in our forum. :smile:
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:35 PM

FYI: Gayle is now open until 12:30PM. Slightly smaller menu, same charm and great taste.
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:57 PM

FYI: Gayle is now open until 12:30PM.  Slightly smaller menu, same charm and great taste.

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That's great news! Is that every day? (Well, except Sunday when I assume you're closed?) Thanks for sharing the info, we appreciate your contributing here.

Not much info yet at www.gaylephiladelphia.com/

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 11:01 PM

FYI: Gayle is now open until 12:30PM.  Slightly smaller menu, same charm and great taste.

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More importantly, is there a bar at which one might avail themselves of a glass of the fine wine selection you described?
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Posted 06 January 2006 - 07:18 AM

FYI: Gayle is now open until 12:30PM.  Slightly smaller menu, same charm and great taste.

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do you mean 12:30AM? like, you have a nice late-night thing going on? that's awesome.

#20 mattkantor

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 08:07 AM

Sorry for the lack of detail. We are open until 12:30 on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We do have an actual bar (albeit small) and liquor license. Most ofthe wines are from the Pacific Northwest.
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Posted 06 January 2006 - 10:04 AM

What's up with the website ?

Just curious....?

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 09:12 PM

What's up with the website ?

Just curious....?

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Umm....Uuuuummmmmm....website coming soon?

Sorry, were just trying to keep up with the increased business from some nice write ups. If the site changes, I'll let you know. If you want to know anything about the menu or whatsit, just shoot me an email.

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 07:38 AM

hey gulleteers....
For a pretty high profile chef, I am suprised there is little discussion of Gayle here.
Sup wit That ?
Just read a philly mag review which gives it a B for food and nails it for "cutesy" undecipherable menu language.
Interestingly, they Gave Marigold an A for food........so perhaps Philly Mag's anti BYO slant is a bit overstated ...no ? :shock:

#24 mattkantor

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:09 PM

Im disappointed too....

No comment about the Philadelphia Magazine article, as everyone is entitled to their opinion. I wish they spent more time on discussing the restaurant and less time going on about Le Bec Fin.

I implore people to stop in on a Monday or Tuesday and try some food out. Don't take my word that our food is amazing and our service is top notch - see for yourself. We are doing something great where we are. We just made some menu changes as well, adding a couple of Foie dishes and getting a little more adventurous in general.

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 05:40 AM

i've already been twice... once when gayle opened and another time a few weeks ago and, you're right, the food is amazing. gayle is quickly becoming one of my favorite restaurants

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 10:23 AM

No comment about the Philadelphia Magazine article, as everyone is entitled to their opinion. I wish they spent more time on discussing the restaurant and less time going on about Le Bec Fin.


I think it's inevitable that they would focus on the fact that Mr Stern used to be the executive chef at LBF. I dont see that as being negative at all, all the Gayle PR I have seen mentions it too so that's besides the point. If anything, his food is credited towards bringing back the 5th Star.
Did you say you added a "couple" of Foie (gras) dishes to the menu ?
isnt that a bit much ?
I have a reservation for next week.
I am excited to go.

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 11:19 AM

Im disappointed too....

No comment about the Philadelphia Magazine article, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I wish they spent more time on discussing the restaurant and less time going on about Le Bec Fin.

I implore people to stop in on a Monday or Tuesday and try some food out.  Don't take my word that our food is amazing and our service is top notch - see for yourself.  We are doing something great where we are.  We just made some menu changes as well, adding a couple of Foie dishes and getting a little more adventurous in general.

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it's on my list for the very near future; i just haven't gotten there yet. probably in about two weeks...

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 02:24 PM

Im disappointed too....

No comment about the Philadelphia Magazine article, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I wish they spent more time on discussing the restaurant and less time going on about Le Bec Fin.

I implore people to stop in on a Monday or Tuesday and try some food out.  Don't take my word that our food is amazing and our service is top notch - see for yourself.  We are doing something great where we are.  We just made some menu changes as well, adding a couple of Foie dishes and getting a little more adventurous in general.

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hi Matt:

Are you guys less busy now on Mondays and Tuesdays? Last time I walked by one of those nights, it was packed. Has the new restaurant smell worn off?

Speaking for my wife and I, we would go there more often if you guys had a BYO night. The wine prices keep Gayle a special occasion place only, at least for us.

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 03:43 PM

Gayle is a great restaurant! I've had four excellent meals there already, two were three course dinners, and two were ordered a la carte. Everything was interesting and very tasty. Particular favorties -- the foie gras, the cassino chowder, salad, lamb. The names of the dishes may be a bit too cute, but this adds a sense of humor and adventure to the menu. A very nice meal can be made of several of the smaller dishes (not Thurs., Fri., Sat., when only the 3 or 5 course dinner options are available). I particularly like sitting at the 3-4 seat bar not far from the kitchen. There is a very good selection of wines by the glass. Service has been excellent and very friendly. I haven't seen the Philadelphia Magazine review, but I have totally unimpressed with their restaurant section, an ongoing disgrace in my opinion. Gayle definitely deserves an A for food. This little corner of Philadelphia has one of the highest concentrations of outstanding small restaurants. Recent meals at Ansill and Southwark were also excellent (but I do think Gayle is the best of these three).

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 10:58 PM

We are less busy Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Mondays can be busy since many other restaurants are closed. We also get a good number of restaurant folks in on Mondays.

The wine list is fairly varied...while we do have glasses of wine for $14, we also have them for $7, so I think you can get in and out without getting killed. We also have a few beers.

Our corkage fee is fairly high, so the BYO option isn't going to make it less expensive.
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More menu changes are on the way later in the week. Thus far:

You can never have too many foie dishes: We have added two dishes with foie gras in them, replacing the original seared foie with edamame, eggplant and water chestnuts. The first is a foie torchon with smoked salmon salad, paired with an oyster on the half shell topped with vodka martini granite, served with a glass of cucumber soda. Yes, it is awesome. The other dish is seared foie paired with skate served in a black tea sauce.

Other notes: We are also doing "pork, beans and rice" which is our new pork belly dish. We will start running ocean trout and NY Strip probably later this week. I dont know how they will be served. We have added monkfish with artichokes, garlic and saffron as well, which is quite awesome. our newest pastry offering is an olive oil-rum cake served with lychee, cocnut sorbet and condensed milk. Amazing stuff going on here.
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Im happy to see all the positive feedback on this site. Dan has worked so hard making this restaurant what it is, and I glad the effort to make everything work well is paying off.
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