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#91 MarketStEl

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 05:14 AM

I noticed this article in today's Daily Pennsylvanian.
Cursed? Third eatery in three years opens in Spruce space.  Savory replaces Tony Luke's, which failed to meet projected revenue rates last year

Tony Luke’s “wasn’t meeting our forecasts,” (Aramark district manager John) Cipollini said. “Tony Luke’s proved to be very popular with the general street, especially the construction workers, but not a lot of dinning dollars were being spent.”[...]
Contrary to Cippollini, Tony Luke, who owned and operated the restaurant which bears his name, said that the decision to close was due to disagreement within the management but would not elaborate on what that disagreement was, citing “legal restrictions.”

Hmmm. Can anyone shed light on this?

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I doubt I can shed real light on this, but as a former Penn employee and someone who is pretty familiar with Aramark dining operations (and smoked gouda cheese) by now, I can offer an interpretation of the text.

Since the space is managed by Aramark, it is technically part of the campus dining services. You will note from the article that students can use their flex dining credits to eat there.

Aramark's main concern with the space is to maximize the amount of student dining revenue it receives. Anything aside from that is gravy, and probably goes to the contractor anyway (depending on how the agreement is structured; it could be some other arrangement, but I will wager that it's probably pretty much like a standard commercial lease except that the tenant also agrees to accept Dining Dollars as payment).

It seems to me that Tony Luke and John Cipollini were referring to the same problem in their comments. Tony Luke could have been making out like a bandit in that space--and judging from Cipollini's comment about the street business it got, he was--but if the students weren't coming in, Aramark wasn't getting what it wanted out of the deal. So sayonara, Tony, it's been nice knowin' ya.
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#92 KatieLoeb

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 12:26 PM

On my way back from an errand in South Philly today, I found myself hungry and driving right by Sarcone's Deli. Here's what I got:

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A small Sarcone's Roasted Turkey Special. Roast Turkey, sharp Provolone, roasted red pepper spread and sauteed spinach. Very tasty.

My cats were screaming at my feet because the turkey smelled so good. They all got a little bite too. :smile:
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#93 monavano

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 12:40 PM

Ooooh, that looks good. What/Who's roll does Sarcone's use? How about Tony Lukes?
I ask because it's a common misunderstanding outside of Philly, that ALL hoagies and cheesesteaks/RPI's are made with Amorosso's rolls.
Thanks!

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#94 mrbigjas

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 01:01 PM

Ooooh, that looks good. What/Who's roll does Sarcone's use? How about Tony Lukes?



dude, it's sarcone's! ain't no better hoagie rolle available than their own!

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 01:04 PM

Ooooh, that looks good. What/Who's roll does Sarcone's use? How about Tony Lukes?



dude, it's sarcone's! ain't no better hoagie rolle available than their own!

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Ah, not a dude and didn't realize they made thier own. But, thanks for the info.

#96 Andrew Fenton

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 01:29 PM

Monovano, you might also seek out Chickie's Deli. They make a first-rate hoagie-- especially their veggie, tuna special and Chickie's special hoagies-- and also use Sarcone's bread.

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 01:31 PM

Ooooh, that looks good. What/Who's roll does Sarcone's use? How about Tony Lukes?



dude, it's sarcone's! ain't no better hoagie rolle available than their own!


actually, if you want to be finicky, you could point out that the bread (used for the medium or, I presume, large hoagies) is way way better than the rolls (used for the small). Which is why I always get the medium. It's totally not because I'm a pig.

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 01:39 PM

Thanks for the replies. The bread is so important and it makes recreating a cheesesteak outside of Philly so tough.
I forgot to add DiNic's: what bread do they use? I did ask on a recent visit, but forgot. It was one I hadn't heard of before. The Dinic gal said that Amoroso is too soft, and the the RPI needed a roll with more heft to stand up to the jus of the pork (excuse me for a sec, gotta wipe the drool from my mouth)
OK, I'm back....
Backstory to this is the food editor for the Washingtonian mag recently visited Philly and found a cheesesteak in the Rittenhouse area, Tony Jr's, which he proclaimed "the best" . He has the impression ,and relayed this misinformation, that Amorosso is the be-all-end-all roll of Philly. I know this ain't so, but wanted some specifics to set the record straight.

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My ass + that stool= complete bliss in 3 weeks :smile:

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#99 mrbigjas

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 02:54 PM

I forgot to add DiNic's: what bread do they use? I did ask on a recent visit, but forgot. It was one I hadn't heard of before.


i think i've seen boxes from liscio's there. in fact last time i was there, i specifically took note, but now i'm suddenly unsure of my memory. does that spark yours?


My ass + that stool= complete bliss in 3 weeks :smile:


right with ya there.

#100 monavano

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 04:11 PM

It does sound familiar, thanks. They're HQ is in Glassboro, NJ.

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Posted 11 September 2006 - 11:33 AM

i think i've seen boxes from liscio's there.  in fact last time i was there, i specifically took note, but now i'm suddenly unsure of my memory.  does that spark yours?

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Roll call....

DiNic's uses Cacia's rolls.

Tony Luke's claims to bake rolls on the premises.

John's Roast Pork uses a seeded roll from Carangi's for large sandwiches, and a kaiser roll for the smaller sandwich.

George's on 9th Street uses Sarcone's and Vilotti.

Chickie's Italian Deli uses Sarcone's bread for the large hoagie Tuesday through Saturday; Vilotti bread is used for large hoagies on Mondays, and for small hoagies all week.

Pat's uses Vilotti rolls for the pork sandwiches.
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#102 monavano

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Posted 11 September 2006 - 11:42 AM

Thanks Spikemom for the information about who uses which rolls. So many conversations and threads I've seen discuss who makes the best cheesesteak. Beyond that, I know that shops and customers have preferences about the breads too. It's another dimension that is usually not realized outside Philly.
Like here in the DC area where the version of roll call goes something like this:

http://www.rollcall.com/

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Posted 11 September 2006 - 06:08 PM

The Liscio's near me (Egg Harbor Rd in Sewell) has a full line of baked goods that includes their excellent rolls, plus pizza and strombolis, also cakes and pastry, and a full service deli, plus a cheese case featuring pre-packaged favorites from DiBruno's, also P & S pastas. When South Philadelphians leave the hood, they head over the bridge to Washington Twp.

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Posted 11 September 2006 - 08:31 PM


i think i've seen boxes from liscio's there.  in fact last time i was there, i specifically took note, but now i'm suddenly unsure of my memory.  does that spark yours?

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Roll call....

DiNic's uses Cacia's rolls.




thanks spikemom--you're right of course. i totally saw the cacia's boxes and took note, because it made sense and i'd been wondering, and then when i went to post i second and third-guessed myself until i wasn't sure at all anymore. you might say to yourself, why post then? i don't know the answer to that one.

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#105 philadining

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 11:32 AM

Cross-posted in the RTM thread, but I figured the pics belonged here too...

Special Italian Hoagie
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Grilled Chicken with Broccoli Rabe and Fresh Mozzerella
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Both from Carmen's Hoagies in the Reading Terminal market.
(rolls from Liscio's)

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 10:47 PM

I stumbled across a surprising sandwich at the West Chester Restaurant Festival: a Beef on Kimmelweck
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This was a very good version, featuring better-quality beef than most I've had up around Buffalo NY, where they originated, but it was otherwise very authentic: wet with jus, served with horseradish.

They were being served up by The Whip Tavern in Coatesville. The chef said he gets his rolls from Wegmans, after a smaller, independent baker couldn't keep up, but they make a pretty good version of the roll, so that's no problem. It's on their regular menu, both lunch and dinner, and the chef says he's selling a ton of them.

All in all, an excellent sandwich, and perhaps not native to this area, but it's great to know one can get one around here.

Edited by philadining, 17 September 2006 - 10:50 PM.


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#107 Holly Moore

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 05:08 PM

Sarcone's Deli has added a roast beef, gorgonzola, roasted peppers, mushroom and balsamic vinegar hoagie as a special. Highly recommended, though I wish the would roast the beef to medium rare or bloodier.
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#108 guzzirider

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 07:19 PM

Got my "usual" from Rustica (Northern Liberties) today... Tartufo cheese steak (w/truffle cream) and an order of their arancine risotto balls...

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Although I'm not 100% positive, I think they use Sarcone's bread for their sadwitches. It was a good way to forget about the Eagles game :raz:

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#109 Jeff L

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 08:32 PM

Does that thing taste as good as it looks?

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Posted 22 October 2006 - 09:01 PM

Does that thing taste as good as it looks?

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Lets see... take a pretty good cheese steak, and then add the one ingredient that seems to make everything taste even better - truffle. What do you think? :biggrin:

This tartufo/arancine combo is one of my favorite guilty pleasures anywhere. Has been since Rustica added the sadwich to their menu a while back.

EDIT: BTW, they also put a tartufo pizza on their menu... white pie w/steak, carmelized onions and truffle cream. I haven't tried it yet...

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Edited by guzzirider, 22 October 2006 - 09:08 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:41 AM

New york times today......

http://travel2.nytim...html?ref=travel

#112 guzzirider

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 05:56 PM

I stumbled across a surprising sandwich at the West Chester Restaurant Festival: a Beef on Kimmelweck
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This was a very good version, featuring better-quality beef than most I've had up around Buffalo NY, where they originated, but it was otherwise very authentic: wet with jus, served with horseradish.

They were being served up by The Whip Tavern in Coatesville.  The chef said he gets his rolls from Wegmans, after a smaller, independent baker couldn't keep up, but they make a pretty good version of the roll, so that's no problem. It's on their regular menu, both lunch and dinner, and the chef says he's selling a ton of them.

All in all, an excellent sandwich, and perhaps not native to this area, but it's great to know one can get one around here.

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More "Beef on Weck".

So... here I am, holding onto some "ends" of the prime rib I made for a New Year's Eve dinner party and wondering what to do with them. Well, I'm from Buffalo, so it didn't take long to work this one out. :biggrin:

Stopped off at Wegman's for some kimmelwecks, and bingo... there you have it:

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The meat could have been thinner, but I don't have a slicer, so that's hard. You may say, "Hey... not as much meat as on philadining's photo," and you're right... but I made 2 of these! Also, my jus was made with red wine and rosemary... I think it had a bit more flavor than the typical WNY offering. I suppose the fact that it was aged prime rib didn't hurt either! :rolleyes:

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#113 philadining

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 06:01 PM

Jason, that looks like a great sandwich!

I'd posted in the NY forum that the news was reporting that the inauguration of the Governor featured an array of NY foods, including a Beef on Weck from Charlie the Butcher. So between you and Governor Spitzer, I've got these sandwiches on the brain... might have to hit Wegmans for some rolls!

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 08:04 PM

You know... I lived most of my life in WNY (moved to PA 10 years ago this week, actually) and I've *never* eaten at Charlie the Butcher's. I'm going to have to rectify that one of the next times I head back.

With that said... last time I was there I had a Beef on Weck at the Buffalo Brew Pub, and it was definitely one of the best I've ever had. Cherie and I have to make a mandatory visit to BBP every time we go up. Best wings around, as far as I'm concerned... and now I know their Beef on Weck is awesome. Plus, great beer... and they insist that you throw your peanut shells on the floor. I miss that place. I had my own personal mug there, too... in fact, I'm drinking from it as I type this! So, if anyone find themselves in the Buffalo area, be sure to check out the Buffalo Brew Pub for some Buffalo standards, and by all means... try a hunk of their beer bread. And I'll check out Charlie the Butcher's.

But I digress... sorry about the Buffalo tangent in the Hoagie thread!

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:01 PM

New york times today......

http://travel2.nytim...html?ref=travel

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I finally just noticed this particular post and checked out the NYT article.

While the gist of the article certainly showed our fair city in a favorable light I was mortified at the following:

They went to John's Roast Pork, the Holy Grail of the Roast Pork Italiano, and they ordered a CHEESESTEAK!!!

:huh: Are you kidding me???

Pffffft! Peasant New Yorker tourists! Stooopid travel writers! Gah! :raz:
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#116 philadining

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 11:17 PM

Remember, Laban's cheesesteak project named it as having the best one in town, and they are awfully darn good!

Still, you have a good point: if I were coming from out of town and only able to get one sandwich there, it would be a Roast Pork Italian.

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#117 KatieLoeb

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 12:05 AM

The obvious answer is to get one of each and share with a friend.

But you just can't miss that pork sammie. No siree.
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#118 Mummer

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 06:15 AM

The obvious answer is to get one of each and share with a friend.

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I had a similar dilmena when returning from Austin a couple a years ago.

My sister and I had been to Lockhart for a meat-a-thon during my visit, but I had Texas airport bbq when my flight was mucho delayed and I had to eat something.

Then I was diverted to Memphis by airline demons. What should I find but a local bbq establishment, with a number of airline uniforms in their queue.

I wasn't that hungry, but I asked the right question, "What would Holly do?"
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#119 KarenSherwood

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Posted 05 January 2007 - 09:10 PM

For those intrepid souls willing to trek to the western 'burbs, I highly recommend Civera's in Drexel Hill (at State Rd & Lansdowne). Their roast pork sandwich is wonderful, especially with smoked provolone. I got my happy fix last weekend. Yup, I'm good for another 6 months!

Nifty Fifty's has a great chicken florentine sandwich, too. Mmmmmmm!

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 09:01 AM

Recently had a wiz wit from Pat's...as always delicious!!!


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