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#151 Chris Amirault

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:06 PM

I've seen it too, but the price and packaging make me very wary.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:18 PM

yeah... i just saw it on the shelf, too, and was tempted until i saw the price. there's a review at drinkhacker. it's made by Beam, who also makes Old Overholt (and, of course, Beam Rye). the reviewer liked it, but for $48/750ml i haven't been able to justify making the purchase. Old Overholt (at $16/750ml) works just fine for me or Baby Saz. if i come across it at a bar, i might try it out. interestingly, the review says a (ri)2 and (ri)3 are on the way. stupid name that seems to be going for "hot and edgy", but that doesn't mean it's not a good whiskey. anyone with personal experience?

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:22 PM

Has anyone tried a rye call Ri one.  Saw it on the shelf last weekend.  Really fancy, modern packaging.  Any good?  Really fancy packaging always makes me wary - I'd rather pay for good booze over than expensive marketing.

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There was some action on this over at John Hansell's Malt Advocate blog about a month back. The consensus seemed to be nice, vibrant, and easily quaffable neat, but too readily lost in (most) cocktails. I found it for only $26 in Florida (about $20 below suggested), so I went ahead and picked it up, though haven't opened it myself yet.

FWIW, it's a Beam product (though not a part of the "Beam portfolio"), something you'd never tell from the packaging they've employed.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:29 PM

I tried it a bit ago, and was underwelmed, as was my spirit guru in Chicago. The packaging looks like a Vodka.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:31 PM

it's made by Beam, who also makes Old Overholt (and, of course, Beam Rye).

I hope this isn't the "premium Overholt" we've been hearing about.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:34 PM

The vodka analogy is apt, I think...lots of slickness to compensate for the lack of substance. With the price pushing into the realm of the Antique Collection, why wouldn't you want to just buy some Thomas Handy instead? Given these reports, I'd much rather have 2 bottles of Handy vs 3 bottles of Ri.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 04:39 PM

Well, if you can find 3 bottles of Handy!

I think I might have missed my chance at the Antique Collection this year, due to a brief illness at my primary liquor store...

Anyway, I'd try it again, but was pretty underwhelmed with the (ri)1, especially for the price.

For mixing, I don't see it knocking the Rittenhouse, Sazerac, or Wild Turkey out of the shopping list.

And for sipping I'd rather spend the extra $10-15 and get a whiskey from the Antique Collection.

You know, not to mention a dozen or two other more reasonably priced rums, brandies, or European Whiskies.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 08:29 PM

I have to concur with Andy and Erik here. I got the chance to taste the Ri at the Pittsburgh Whiskey Festival and I was not all that impressed with it--at least my impression of it didn't match the hype (and the price). Even less so when shortly thereafter I tasted (for the first time), the Thomas Handy. Holy cow, is that good.
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#159 MattJohnson

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 09:39 AM

The gut feeling once again proves it should be trusted. I may give it a go at a bar sometime - but won't pick it up otherwise.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:06 PM

Just a heads up-shoppersvineyard.com had Rittenhouse BIB this week available for $11.99/btl.

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 09:13 AM

Just a heads up-shoppersvineyard.com had Rittenhouse BIB this week available for $11.99/btl.

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when i go to check out, it is still saying 14.99 :sad:

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 11:06 AM

One local shop finally got in two cases of Rittenhouse BIB. We called them to hold two bottles for us which was a good idea because the two cases were sold out. $17.99 each. They said that two cases was all that they could get. Supplies must still be hard to come by.
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#163 slkinsey

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 11:28 AM

It's going to be quite some time before Rittenhouse is ever in particularly good supply in places like Santa Fe. It takes a little over 6 years to make the stuff, and it seems quite clear that the popularity of Rittenhouse BIB took the good folks at Heaven Hill a bit by surprise. From what I have been able to gather, part of their strategy is to keep distribution mostly confined to a a few key areas of the country where there is critical mass of mixologists and spirits geeks to keep it in the collective consciousness until such time as they have enough to distribute more widely without shorting these important markets. Considering that we only started getting Rittenhouse in NYC sometime in Spring of 2005, at the very quickest I wouldn't expect to see significantly more widespread distribution until we're into the next presidential campaign season. Which all a way of saying that Rittenhouse was always going to be pretty hard to come by in New Mexico, and that's not likely to change for several years at best.

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 04:39 PM

Saw the Buffalo Trace Antique Collection at a local liquor store.

All bottles priced at $85.99!

Guess that's off the holiday shopping list...
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 06:48 AM

Rittenhouse BIB at Joyal's in West Warwick RI for $16.99.
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Posted 30 November 2008 - 01:08 PM

KL Wines has plenty of the Rittenhouse BIB at $19.99. The Hollywood store listed 70 bottles in stock this morning. 69 after I left :wink:
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 02:49 PM

Quick question, can I sub Maker's Mark for Rye Whiskey in a mixed drink?
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 03:11 PM

Sure. You can sub applejack or cognac or even gin for rye whiskey in a drink if you like. But it won't be the same. Bourbon will be closer than some of these other choices, of course. But there will still be a difference.

Bourbon is overall sweeter and less spicy than rye whiskey. This is especially true of a bourbon like Maker's Mark, because it is a wheated bourbon and contains no rye grain whatsoever (many bourbons do contain some rye).



In related news... it's funny how you come back to things. I've been using so much Rittenhouse bonded over the last several years that I'd forgotten about Old Overholt a bit until a friend brought over a bottle. There is a really distinctive, almost "woody" quality that I really like about Old Overholt. Oh, how I wish they would release a 100 proof bottling.

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 06:10 PM

If you can't find rye at your liquor store, look for Bulleit bourbon. Its usually not really that expensive and if I recall correctly has quite a bit of rye in it.

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 08:25 PM

If you can't find rye at your liquor store, look for Bulleit bourbon.  Its usually not really that expensive and if I recall correctly has quite a bit of rye in it.

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Definitely. A much better sub for rye than Maker's Mark would be.

Sam, do you find that the Rittenhouse is closer to Sazerac than to other ryes (such as Old Overholt or Jim Beam)?


BTW, is Bulleit pronounced like bullet, or bull-eet?
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#171 slkinsey

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 08:34 PM

I would say that those three ryes (I don't care for Jim Beam) are all pretty different.


I've always thought it was pronounced bull-ite.
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Posted 06 January 2009 - 09:20 PM

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What they all said. To me the Bulleit is about the halfway point between a wheated bourbon and a good rye. In a very good way. I'm a big fan of Bulleit.

I always thought it was pronounced Bull'-it, like bullet. :unsure:

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 10:12 PM

Quick question, can I sub Maker's Mark for Rye Whiskey in a mixed drink?

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What they all said. To me the Bulleit is about the halfway point between a wheated bourbon and a good rye. In a very good way. I'm a big fan of Bulleit.

I always thought it was pronounced Bull'-it, like bullet. :unsure:

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I love the stuff - it's my staple bourbon. I always pronounced it like 'boo-lay', but I just did a bit of Googling and the consensus seems to be that it's pronounced 'like what comes out of a gun' which, I'm sure, goes over well in its native Kentucky.
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#174 John the Barman

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 07:41 AM

ri 1 has no finish


RIB is the best buy in a bottle

buy anything from heaven hill or buffalo trace before beam

Anything that says Sazerac is great. period.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 07:30 PM

I am enjoying Mitchers 4 yo US1 American Rye (about $20) at the moment, have a bottle of Sazerac as well, but i have to say i like the Mitcher's a bit more..fantastic manhattan w/ Punt e mes

would love to try the 10yo bottling of mitchers but wont spring the $70 for it..at least not right now

#176 John the Barman

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 12:50 PM

The michters 10yr rye is awesome

I love the US1 as well, but the 10yr is really a jem. Your right about the price though.

Try the kentucky vintage 21yr rye if you see it in a bar. great whiskey. I've tried the 23yr and i thought it was left in the barrel too long.


I don't know if we need that many more ryes on the market. We need the ryes that are avalible to be avalible in every market when ever they are ordered.

AND WE SHOULD NOT NEED TO CARRY RAIN VODKA TO GET A HOLD OF SAZERAC ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!

Not all markets are like that, but here in LA it is. Our bar is a whiskey bar with a heavy rye collection. 21 different bottles. The problem is that it took us a long time to get to that. I don't see how a new bar starting up in this city could get more then 5 or 6 to start out with.

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 07:19 PM

The michters 10yr rye is awesome

I love the US1 as well, but the 10yr is really a jem.  Your right about the price though.

Try the kentucky vintage 21yr rye if you see it in a bar.  gre

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i'll have to look for both the 10yo and 23yo at a bar..not sure where i'll find them, i am lucky enough to find a bar that carries a bourbon other than Makers around my area...never mind any type of rye...("oh you want canadian club or segrams 7???"....never mind i reply sulkishly...)

#178 John the Barman

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 01:04 PM

I hear ya. When a bar does have basic rye, it tends to start with Overholt, then go to Jim Beam and/or Wild Turkey 101. Of the three i think Wild Turkey wins hands down. Not as complex as whiskeys in the next level of quality above it, but drinkable as hell. Plus the proof makes it great for classics.

I really hope Ri1 gets a new bottle. Jim Beam is not helping the bartenders of america bring back rye by giving it a vodka bottle. Put it into something people can associate with history and age. Your never gonna turn a red bull-vodka drinker on to rye in cocktails with a flashy package(well, you night be able to actually, but please don't, we want them drinking in overcrowed clubs, not in our bars).

Thomas H. Handy Old fashioned anyone?! :)

#179 slkinsey

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 01:10 PM

I like Wild Turkey rye as much as the next guy. But Old Overholt is pretty awesome stuff. Jim Beam rye? Meh.
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:03 PM

I like Wild Turkey rye as much as the next guy.  But Old Overholt is pretty awesome stuff.  Jim Beam rye?  Meh.

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Agreed, Old Overholt is my favorite rye for a Sazerac.
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