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[Kent Wang]

I am from Shanghai, here are my picks in order:

T&S Seafood
Pao's Mandarin House
Din Ho
China Palace (traditional menu)
Marco Polo
Tien Hong

Dim sum offerings factor in greatly in the above scale, but the following is dim sum only:

Pao's Mandarin House
T&S Seafood
Marco Polo
Tien Hong
Golden Bay (terrible)

Any thoughts from other Austinites with a lot of experience and taste for traditional Chinese food?

[dexygus]

Hi Kent,

I'll be moving to Austin in 2 weeks, thus I have nothing to offer, but I have a question. I'm Chinese, and from the San Francisco Bay Area, and I know I will miss stuff like Won Ton Mein, Chow Mai Fun, and Jook. Can you recommend any restaurants that serve good versions of these Cantonese dishes?

[Kent Wang]

Hi Kent,

I'll be moving to Austin in 2 weeks, thus I have nothing to offer, but I have a question.  I'm Chinese, and from the San Francisco Bay Area, and I know I will miss stuff like Won Ton Mein, Chow Mai Fun, and Jook.  Can you recommend any restaurants that serve good versions of these Cantonese dishes?

Hmm, I'm a bit fuzzy on the Cantonese pronunciations. Can you say them in Mandarin or otherwise describe them? PM me once you get in town. We can get some Dim Sum together. Dallas and Houston have far superiour traditional Chinese restaurants as well.

What irritates me the most is the lack of Xiao Long Bao in Austin. Do you like them? They're a Shanghai specialty. In Shanghai there are even entire restaurants devoted to only serving them!

[yimay]

Hi Kent,

I'll be moving to Austin in 2 weeks, thus I have nothing to offer, but I have a question.  I'm Chinese, and from the San Francisco Bay Area, and I know I will miss stuff like Won Ton Mein, Chow Mai Fun, and Jook.  Can you recommend any restaurants that serve good versions of these Cantonese dishes?

Din Ho has pretty good won ton noodles. Tan Tan, a vietnamese restaurant off of highway 183 has pretty good won ton noodle soup too.

i think din ho has chow mai fun (stir fried rice noodles, right?) on their menu too, but i've not had them.

all in all, don't expect much from chinese restaurants in austin. they will all be disappointing in some respect. i think the only one i can really back is Pao's Mandarin House for szechuan cuisine. but din ho and t&s offer some of the better cantonese options you can't get anywhere else in the city. T&S is a bit overpriced though (for chinese food i think) but they have congee/jook and a great dim sum selection. another place i like is Wok n Roll on north Burnet for things like gan chau niu he (flat rice noodles with beef and scallions) and pork and thousand year old egg congee, and fried rice with salty fish... stuff like that.

[Kent Wang]

Din Ho has pretty good won ton noodles. Tan Tan, a vietnamese restaurant off of highway 183 has pretty good won ton noodle soup too.

Is this just noodles made with sliced up won ton skins? That's really easy to make. I've made a few rather excellent batches.

[yimay]

Is this just noodles made with sliced up won ton skins? That's really easy to make. I've made a few rather excellent batches.

no, it's just pork/shrimp wontons in soup with egg noodles. thus, won ton noodle soup.

[dexygus]

thanks for the responses, kent, and yimay. sorry for such a delay in my response. i've been in austin for about 10 days now, and it's been lovely. sorry to hear that there are no xiao long bao in austin. i just talked to my family in the bay area, and that's what they're having for lunch today, dang them. though i did have a great guisado de puerco burrito from polvos, so i guess i can't complain.

kent, i just may take you up on your offer.

[Kent Wang]

I'd really like to promote China Palace. My friend's boyfriend's family does own it, but it really is a damn good restaurant that has not received any press. Austin Chronicle has written well of its buffet, but this is just cheap Americanized fare. Their traditional menu rivals that of Din Ho, and I think is certainly superior in quality if not in diversity. I don't think they publicize the availability of the Chinese menu, so the critics are probably not even aware of its existence.

[Kent Wang]

I went to Pao's with my parents and had spicy beef tendon, duck tongue and ham hock tendon. When I go to Chinese restaurants, I really prefer more exotic stuff like that. Pao's Chinese menu is very extensive, and along with China Palace, have menus with a lot more depth than T&S and Din Ho. Maybe it's because I've been to each of those restaurants nearly a dozen times now, but the menus at T&S and Din Ho just no longer excite me. For a conservative meal with Western friends, they are good choices; although said friends are often very satisfied with those meals and I am pleased to have introduced them to a taste of traditional Chinese cuisine, I'm a little bored with getting the same old same old.

[Kent Wang]

Add Tien Jin and NG House to the list of restaurants serving traditional cuisine. I've only been to each of those once and have been satisified. Now if only I knew more Chinese so I can read the menus!

[dexygus]

i know what you mean. i can barely speak it, much less read it. back home, i always relied on my parents to order/decipher the menu.

[Kent Wang]

i know what you mean.  i can barely speak it, much less read it.  back home, i always relied on my parents to order/decipher the menu.

I've been trying to get restaurants to fax me the menu in advance so I can use a dictionary and Google to look things up.

[kaneel]

Hi Kent,

I'll be moving to Austin in 2 weeks, thus I have nothing to offer, but I have a question.  I'm Chinese, and from the San Francisco Bay Area, and I know I will miss stuff like Won Ton Mein, Chow Mai Fun, and Jook.  Can you recommend any restaurants that serve good versions of these Cantonese dishes?

Hmm, I'm a bit fuzzy on the Cantonese pronunciations. Can you say them in Mandarin or otherwise describe them? PM me once you get in town. We can get some Dim Sum together. Dallas and Houston have far superiour traditional Chinese restaurants as well.

What irritates me the most is the lack of Xiao Long Bao in Austin. Do you like them? They're a Shanghai specialty. In Shanghai there are even entire restaurants devoted to only serving them!

Kent, can you tell me of a dim sum place in houston?
The one we used to go to has been closed down for a quite some time now and haven't been able to find another one.

TIA

[Kent Wang]

Kent, can you tell me of a dim sum place in houston?
The one we used to go to has been closed down for a quite some time now and haven't been able to find another one.

TIA

You should probably start a new thread about that, to attract the attention of the Houstonians on this forum. The Houston Press website is another good resource.

[Kent Wang]

Went to China Palace last week.

I highly recommend the pork intestines in the house special sauce. It is a thick brown sauce that is slightly sweet, very Shanghai.

The sea cucumber and pork tendon was also good. The sea cucumber slices were the biggest I've ever had while being totally tender. I do think the dish is too mildly flavored; both sea cucumber and pork tendon are nearly tasteless so I think a strong sauce is essential. Next time, I will ask them to use a different sauce.

[yimay]

i checked out china palace last night. i find it odd that places with separate chinese menus don't give the menus out to all of the customers, chinese or caucasian. i'm chinese and went with a white friend and i had to ask for this special menu. i supposed i look very americanized. i think they are doing a disservice to many locals that want other options besides sesame chicken and egg rolls by not letting them see the entire menu.

anyhoo, we ordered the red oil wontons (one of my favorite sichuan dishes), ma po's tofu, one of the pork intestine dishes (i think the one with sichuan spicy sauce) and some scallion pancakes. i loved it all. the ma po's tofu tasted better than my mom's (don't tell her)! i'm definitely going back as they are right down the street from my house and they deliver! thanks for the tip, kent!

Edited by yimay, 11 April 2006 - 11:31 AM.

[Blanche Davidian]

I am wild about Fung's Kitchen in Houston. Please don't tell me they closed!

[Roxie]

The International District in Seattle has a great place, Sea Garden, that serves a seafood mix on crispy noodles. These noodles are my favorite. I am wondering if there is a place in Austin that has anything like it.

The noodles start out soft but are then pan fried to a crispy outisde, flipped and crisped again. The fish and sauce go over, with lots of scallions. I was told this was Shanghai style.

Thanks for any suggestions.

[yimay]

a lot of chinese (and some vietnamese) restaurants have this or a version of it with varying levels of tastiness... some can really eff it up though, so be wary. usually it's called Pan Fried Noodles or Crispy Fried Noodles on english menus (Liang Mian Huang in mandarin) and you can choose your meat combination. the last time i had it was at Din Ho BBQ. they serve it with a seafood (shrimp, squid, fake crab) and meat combination (chicken, pork, beef). their version is pretty decent, the sauce is super oily though. i believe T&S serves pan fried noodles as well.

also China Palace, that Kent (and now I) rave about, over on Airport also has pan fried noodles. i haven't had it, but based on the meal i had the other night at their restaurant, it is probably pretty good.

Edited by yimay, 12 April 2006 - 01:40 PM.

[Roxie]

I have tried T&S, not real thrilled by it, but I will give China Palace a try. Thanks!

[Kent Wang]

I have tried T&S, not real thrilled by it, but I will give China Palace a try.  Thanks!

What did you order? I will echo Austin Chronicle: anything "salt and pepper" is great. It's not a very informative name but it means deep fried and dipped in salt and chile oil. My favorite is the salt and pepper soft-shell crab. The double lobster is also a great deal, especially if they have it on special for $29.95. That's two lobsters and you choose which style to cook it in. I think the scallion and ?garlic? style is the best. Shrimp with walnuts is a bit Americanized but also damn good. Roasted quail in salt is also pretty unique; what other Chinese restaurants serve quail?

[Kent Wang]

I recently had an exchange over email that, with the writer's permission, I am sharing here:

Hi, Kent,

Read your thread on egullet.org on authentic chinese
restaurant in Austin...very informative, thanks!!!

My wife and I are in somewhat a quandary and perhaps
you can help us.  We live in houston but we are
hosting a friend from China for lunch in austin a
couple of saturdays away.  He specifically requested
authentic chinese food.  You mentioned china palace as
your current favorite.  A couple of follow-up
questions if I may:

- how is the service there?
- how is the decor there?
- What regional chinese menu do they serve?  Northern
Chinese or Shanghainese or others?
- What other chinese restaurants do you recommend?

Many thanks in advance for all your help,
XXX

I actually think Pao's is slightly better than China Palace. Pao's is Mandarin,
which approximates what the imperials ate in Beijing, it is northern-style with
a lot of roasted items but also incorporating a lot of styles from all over the
country as all the best regional chefs gathered in the capital.

China Palace is distinctly Cantonese. Best dish is the pork intestine in the
house special sauce. Everything else is fine, just use your intuition. If you
look Chinese they should automatically hand you the Chinese menu, but
double-check if the menu you get is all sweet & sour pork etc.

You mentioned that you were going for a weekend lunch so perhaps dim sum might
be more up your alley? In that case, you should only consider Pao's or T&S
Seafood. China Palace does not serve dim sum. T&S is often too crowded during
dim sum and the service can be atrocious. I actually prefer the dim sum dishes
at Pao's though since T&S is Cantonese it is more "authentic" dim sum. Pao's
also does not push a cart around and has you order from a menu; it's dishes are
also bigger by about 50% and has less steamed items.

Service and decor at Pao's and China Palace are similar, fairly nice. T&S is
several levels below in both respects; it's much more of a "hole in the wall"
type place.

I think Pao's will be your best choice, dim sum or otherwise. The only reason
that may dissuade you is that it's located in Lakeway, about a 20-minute drive
from downtown Austin. Depending on your situation, that may actually be
preferred as the drive there through the Texas Hill Country is quite scenic.

[Kent Wang]

Don't know how I missed this but Austin Chronicle finally paid China Palace a visit and tried the Chinese menu. Rather positive review from Mick Vann.

The newly opened First Chinese BBQ in the new Chinatown on North Lamar is terrific. Pretty good roast items like duck and chicken -- though no proper Peking duck -- and BBQ pork are on par with Din Ho. I had the roast duck and BBQ pork platter ($7). I also ordered the marinated pork tongue, ear and stomach platter ($6). Delicious. The ear was very tender and fatty. Generous portions on each dish, more than enough food for two people for -- get this -- $14 after tax.

The decor is unusual for a Chinese restaurant. Like a sparsely-decorated Starbucks. Certainly a welcome change from the hole-in-the-wall type places like T&S. The service was also unusually attentive.

After just one visit I'm going to have to rank it up there with T&S, Din Ho and China Palace. I still think that Pao's has a more extensive menu of traditional items. Hmm, I wonder if First Chinese does dim sum.

[MissAmy]

I was not impressed with First Chinese, and will continue to patronize Din Ho over it. We had a hard time getting the attention of the waitstaff, and when we finally did, they were rather curt.

We ordered a spinach and mushroom dish, BBQ chicken, and a clay pot that was supposed to contain sea bass. The veggies were fine, I actually rather enjoyed them. The chicken was WAY too dry and over cooked, to the point that it stuck in the back of my throat on the way down. Ick. The sea bass clay pot... oh lord don't even get me started. It was on the special board, which I can't read, but was with someone who can. It sounded great, so we ordered it. There was not one single actual peice of fish in the whole damn thing. There were lots of bones and skin, though. And fish fat. But no actual, you know, fish flesh. There was also a miasma of aroma wafting off the thing, and a whole conglomeration of various vegetables, and, for some weird reason, lots of pork. I mean, God. Don't put the thing on the specials if you can't actually make it.

So I don't know if I'll be back. Maybe I'll give it one more shot.

[yimay]

T.C. Noodle House in the new Chinatown Center is open. I ate there a few days ago and then gave it another shot today for takeout while working the Austin Record Convention. I think it was very disappointing. Their menu consists mostly of noodle dishes, some rice dishes and a large selection of appetizers. I've tried their pan fried noodles, wonton soup, various noodles with various toppings (duck, seafood, etc..) in broth, their version of a "pad thai" and potstickers they call cantonese style pan fried dumplings. Everything was pretty bland and not memorable at all. the dumplings were ok, but poorly cooked/presented. I only liked it because the filling was similar to a Shu Mai filling which I enjoy. But overall I'm sad. This place was also brimming with Asian clientele, which confuses me as the quality of food doesn't even meet my very tolerable standard of "decent" chinese food. (I don't think i'd consider this food tolerable). But it's possible many of them were there for the first time as well.

I also tried the bbq pork Banh Mi at Lily's sandwich shop across the parking lot from T.C. Noodle House... also disappointing, especially after reading about people waiting out the door for sandwiches and them running out in the afternoons. I still like Pho Van's (formerly Cong Ly) pork banh mi the best. However Lily's makes a killer Cafe Sua Da (vietnamese ice coffee). I will be going back for more coffee for sure.

[Kent Wang]

One sees a lot of Asian clientele at Sea Dragon, Tien Hong and Marco Polo, too, but it doesn't necessarily mean the quality is good. Well, Marco Polo is the best out of those three but it's definitely no Din Ho or T&S. In fact, T&S has a lot of non-Asian clientele.

Bummer about TC Noodle House.

[Kent Wang]

I went to TC Noodle House for lunch on Thursday. The decor is very Western, open, even with upscale touches like (faux?) granite table tops. Like I said about First Chinese BBQ next door, it's like an upscale Starbucks.

I ordered the shiu mai, which arrived as a quarter-pound piece of shiu mai filling placed in a cup of soup, served with a gigantic you tiao. Extremely bizarre. I don't know where in China this is called a shiu mai. The you tiao was strange as well as it was so thick that the inside dough was still soft and chewy, instead of crisp and airy like a proper you tiao. Nevertheless, both the "shiu mai" and "you tiao" were pretty tasty -- just not what you would expect.

Also had the "teo chow" marinated meat. You choose three meats, so I selected the pork intestines, pig ear and beef tendon. Terrible. First Chinese does the exact same dish but much more competently. The marinade is a basic Sichuan pepper, star anise, soy sauce blend. The beef tendon was really just a large slice of beef that happened to have a few strips of tendon in it.

The pork dumplings were OK.

Each item was $4 or less, which is a pretty good deal.

Overall, you get what you pay for but I think First Chinese BBQ is not much more expensive and is much higher quality.

[jess mebane]

Por favor, where exactly on Airport is Chinese Palace? I used to traverse that street every other day while coming in from Lockhart to drop off the kids at MDO, and I've totally glommed by it, apparently. Have pity on an ol' Houston gal just trying to get her authentic Chinese on......

[Kent Wang]

Austin Chronicle is your friend: http://www.austinchr...ation?oid=47264

Remember that if you don't look Chinese you'll have to ask for the secret traditional menu. Yimay, it's interesting that you had to ask. I've gone with white friends and the hostess immediately starts speaking to me in Chinese and gives us the traditional menu. I love these opportunities to measure how Chinese you are.

[Kent Wang]

Austin Chronicle's Mick Vann just reviewed Asia Cafe this week. Restaurant website.

I went on Friday and had the twice-cooked pork and zhong dumplings, as recommended by the review.



The zhong dumplings ($4.50) were terrific with handmade skins and very loose, fluffy filling.

The pork ($7) was really bacon. It was sliced like store-bought bacon and had a smoky taste. Pork belly is certainly used in Chinese cuisine but bacon is not native. Nevertheless the dish was quite tasty with copious amounts of meat.

Based on this single visit alone, I must say that I agree with Vann's review. Quality food, especially considering no one else is doing Sichuan cuisine in Austin. I definitely want to return many more times to try out the rest of the menu.

Most of the employees there were speaking Mandarin, though I don't know the Sichuan dialect well enough to know if they were from Sichuan.