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[Rachel Perlow]

The appliances arrived yesterday. Only damaged item was the refrigerator, big dent on the side, so that's being reordered. The stove is so beautiful. :tears in my eyes smilie: I wish I could use it right away.

I can't wait to hear how the twin 600 cfm fan ducts work.

Paul must have heard about the twin 600 cfm blowers at some eGullet event, but we were mistaken. We actually ordered a single 900 cfm, and that's what arrived yesterday. When I called to double check that that's what we ordered, the designer I spoke to chuckled, "What, are you guys building a commercial kitchen?"

I asked him about grease running down the side of my house, and he said that isn't an issue with the better filters used by modern equipment. I hope so, because the blower motor and exterior vent will be on the roof!

[Rail Paul]

I thought Jason mentioned the dual fan assembly at the Seabra's dinner, but he mentioned he wasn't sure it would fit. Have you tested the 900 cfm to make sure it doesn't let poodles fly?


May I ask how satisfied you are with Expo, so far?  And, which Expo did you use? 

Dee and I are considering having some work done, and I'd like to stop by the Union NJ Expo (which I think is closest to us)

[rozrapp]

Actually, I could use some advise on Garbage Disposals, we haven't bought one yet.

Rachel, There's a safety issue here.  Get a batch feed type.  The cover has a contact which, when placed over the opening, must meet a contact inside the disposal to start it running.  The other type has a switch on the wall which turns the disposal on.  But this opens up the possibility of an accident, i.e., hand getting mangled.  No chance of that happening with the batch feed.

I'm soooo glad you didn't say you were getting a SubZero!  Mine, bought in 1996 has had three microprocessors replaced and six repair calls.  It sucks big time.

That's what we heard from more than one person. Plus my cousin said she is always breaking her nails trying to open the door...

At the risk of giving myself a kenahura, we have a SubZero and, with the exception of a minor problem with the ice maker soon after we got it and which was fixed with no charge, we have had no problems with it, and I really love it.  When we planned the renovation, my original intention was to keep my Maytag which was only 6 years old at the time.  But once my husband became enthusiastic about the renovation -- and that's another story -- that idea went out the window. We ended up with the SubZero and the "built-in" look; that is, the SZ doors have the same panels as the cabinets.

BTW, Sorry to hear that your frig came in dented.

I asked him about grease running down the side of my house, and he said that isn't an issue with the better filters used by modern equipment. I hope so, because the blower motor and exterior vent will be on the roof!

Not to worry.  Our motor and vent are mounted on the outside wall behind our cooktop, and there is not, nor ever has been, any grease on the shingles.

[Rachel Perlow]

re: Sub Zero

Another reason for not getting the Sub Zero was price. As everyone ever doing a kitchen remodel learns, you always go 100% over your initial budget. Our initial budget was pretty generous and almost realistic, so we didn't go over by as much as that, but we had to cut costs somewhere. The fridge just wasn't as important to us as the high-end stove and super quiet, water efficient, dishwasher. (Fat Guy told me their dishwasher is so energy/water efficient it makes more sense to put everything in there and use it every day than to handwash, or even rinse, anything. I'm hoping to follow suit.) I'm also keeping my old microwave (1994) for now - works perfectly, still looks like the ones currently available in stores - so why change it?

May I ask how satisfied you are with Expo, so far?  And, which Expo did you use?

We used the Expo in Union. The Paramus store hadn't yet opened when we began the project. We're pretty satisfied with Expo, other than some of the confusion with deliveries. I think those problems were mostly with the warehouse. I understood the reasons for their insistance of having everything on-site before begining construction. This was all explained to me at one of the pre-constuction meetings. But, when it came to delaying my project because one of the base cabinets wasn't delivered to the warehouse (months ago), and said cabinet had no chance of needing to be installed before the reordered cabinet gets delivered, it seemed ridiculous. A compromise was reached and they are supposed to start tomorrow.

I like the fact that they have a project supervisor to act as liaison between the store, the customer, and the actual contractor. My designer and super agreed that the contractor assigned is the best one, that he does excellent work. I like the fact that I didn't have to be my own General Contractor, finding all the right professionals to do the job, even down to applying for the town permits. They also make use of a lock box, so you don't have to be home every single day of the project to let workers in.

You pay for this convenience, however, so keep that in mind. If you don't mind doing the leg work and directly dealing with all the necessary workers, inspector appointments, etc., then you can save money by going another way.

[Rachel Perlow]

They're here! Kitchen demolition is underway. Here are a couple pictures of the deconstruction:

Edit: On 7/1/02 I removed the photos and replaced with this link, I've added some photos and written captions.

[Jason Perlow]

Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (heart pounding)

[Rachel Perlow]

OK guys, I need roofer referrals in the Northern NJ area. Please email me at rperlow@hotmail.com. The contractor just discovered a leak in the roof around the kitchen skylight.

[lizziee]

My one theory on remodeling is that if you can stay married during the process, you will be able to stay married forever.

Good luck. This is just the beginning.

[Rachel Perlow]

No matter how horrible this process, we've been through worse. I love you, honey!

[tommy]

OK guys, I need roofer referrals in the Northern NJ area. Please email me at rperlow@hotmail.com. The contractor just discovered a leak in the roof around the kitchen skylight.

just be thankful da roof, da roof, da roof isn't on fi-ya.

feel free to throw things at me.

[JSD]

Remodeling is all pretty theoretical until the carpenters start wrecking your house.  

[rozrapp]

RPerlow Posted on June 19 2002,10:26

They're here! Kitchen demolition is underway.

And so, the fun begins....  Those of us who have been through it are with you in spirit.  

lizziee Posted on June 19 2002,13:19

My one theory on remodeling is that if you can stay married during the process, you will be able to stay married forever.

While I certainly do not disagree with your theory, mine about durable marriages goes like this.  If you can drive through Boston without ending up in divorce court, you can survive just about anything.  Maybe this theory belongs on the New England board?  

[Ron Johnson]

just be thankful da roof, da roof, da roof isn't on fi-ya.

In such a case, is it not appropriate just to let the muthaf*cka burn?

I could be wrong on this.

[Rachel Perlow]

We've driven through Boston!

[lizziee]

While I certainly do not disagree with your theory, mine about durable marriages goes like this.  If you can drive through Boston without ending up in divorce court, you can survive just about anything.  Maybe this theory belongs on the New England board?  

As an ex-Bostonian, driving in Boston is right up there with remodeling.

[Sandra Levine]

I've heard that if you can survive a canoe trip together...Just ask us at the next eGullet dinner.

[lizziee]

Who needs marriage counseling - remodel the kitchen, drive through Boston for your canoeing trip in Maine and if you are still speaking, your marriage will last.

[tommy]

rachel, i just noticed this topic is in 2 places.  and i'm sitting here thinking posts are going missing!  it's making me nuts.
:confused:  :confused:  :confused:  :confused:

[Rachel Perlow]

Sorry, I put my initial request for help in this diary in the General Forum. But then I realized that it's the NJ people who would actually be able to help me. Thanks to them & some other friends I have a few roof people coming tomorrow to check out the damage. Hopefully, it'll just be some repairs, like caulking around the skylight, and not a whole new roof!

FYI - my whole kitchen was gutted in about 5 hours! Tomorrow they are coming to remove the plywood the old tiles were attached to, and the plumber should begin work too.

Tip - if your town has an area to dump construction garbage, like the Transfer Station in my town, find out all the regulations for using it, and allowing your contractor to use it, ahead of time. I've been there several times to dump broken furniture or other large garbage items, and no one ever asked to see any proof of residency. Yesterday when I arrived with the contractor's assistants it was, "where's your decal?" And I had to run over to Borough Hall to get the proper sticker for me and temporary pass for the contractor (all about 5 minutes before the Clerk's Office was closing).

[mamster]

just be thankful da roof, da roof, da roof isn't on fi-ya.

In such a case, is it not appropriate just to let the muthaf*cka burn?

Rachel and Jason, if there are party people in your house, the correct procedure is to put your hands into the air, and wave them like you do not care, until they leave.  This is what I have been told.

[Rachel Perlow]

I figured it's time for an update. To recap, the kitchen was 90% gutted on Wednesday, June 19th. Contractor discovered leak in the roof. Roofers came with estimates Fri-Sat. We ended up removing the skylight on Monday. The guy did a really great job patching the roof, you can't even tell where it was. Much discussion over the weekend about vaulting the kitchen ceiling.

Contractors came back on Tuesday and finished gutting the ceiling and sub-floor. We discussed vaulting. Because of ductwork requiring big soffits we decided against vaulting the entire ceiling, however we did decide the do a tray ceiling in the dining room. Here's a picture of a tray ceilinged room I found on the internet, so you can get an idea:



As we had finalized plans for the ceiling, I had to go out and pick out the lighting fixtures for over the DR table and peninsula. I found the perfect contemporary fixtures at Capital Lighting. Here is a picture of something similar to what I ordered for over the table:
Our's has a ring of frosted glass around the metal circle, and it is of brushed steel. Jason thinks it looks like a flying saucer. A smaller matching flying saucer will be over the peninsula.

They also did the plumbing work on Tuesday. Today, they finished the new sub-floor and framed the tray ceiling. More work on the ceiling tomorrow then the town inspector has to examine the plumbing. Hopefully the electrician can finish his work by the end of the week and we'll be able to have both inspections next week. That's it for now!

[hollywood]

Actually, I could use some advise on Garbage Disposals, we haven't bought one yet.

Rachel, There's a safety issue here.  Get a batch feed type.  The cover has a contact which, when placed over the opening, must meet a contact inside the disposal to start it running.  The other type has a switch on the wall which turns the disposal on.  But this opens up the possibility of an accident, i.e., hand getting mangled.  No chance of that happening with the batch feed.

Don't know if you need a disposal. Most modern dishwashers take in dirty plates and utensils. They have a disposal kinda thing in the bottom. So, if you just do a rough scrape into the trash, you can lock n load.
Disposals always clog at the worst possible time (actually any time they clog is bad). You get overconfident and try and get rid of a potato or banana peel, a piece of broken wine glass inadvertently gets in the works, etc. then BINGO! everything backs up. Think about it.
If you do get one, go for maximum horsepower--just like a food processor.
As for grease running down the side of a house, in my experience the main source is at chimney level after burning parafin based "logs" in the fireplace. Turns black, like having your own private acid rain.

[rozrapp]

hollywood posted on Jun 26 2002, 04:45 PM

Disposals always clog at the worst possible time (actually any time they clog is bad). You get overconfident and try and get rid of a potato or banana peel, a piece of broken wine glass inadvertently gets in the works, etc. then BINGO! everything backs up.

I have never had any clogging problems. Perhaps I have just been lucky. But I am rather careful about what I put into the disposal -- for example, only thin peelings like apples, carrots, or potatoes, and never such thick ones as banana or mango -- and I always run cold water when the disposal is on as instructed in the manual.

[Rachel Perlow]

You know what? Screw the disposal, I'll start a compost pile for the garden. Jay - how'd you feel about that?

[JSD]

You know what? Screw the disposal, I'll start a compost pile for the garden.

How about start a compost pile, but have a disposal for the small bits that will inevitably sneak past you?

[jaybee]

How do you handle yellow waxy buildup on the floors?

I joined this late, so some remedial information. What kinds of stove, oven, refrig. are you putting in? Will you add a salamander? an indoor grill? What are you doing for storage of big pots and their covers, a real thorn in my side in the kitchen. We've refreshed our kitchen in the country in three stages. replaced the range/oven, replaced refrigerator and thre builtin cabinet, refinished the bar and surfaces. The new refrigerator, with the freezer on the bottom makes such a huge difference. No bending to see what's in the fridge. all's at eye level. The range has a griddle big enough to cook twelve pieces of french toast or sixteen hamburgers at once. Makes a big difference with a gang there. I hate garbage disposals, and wouldn't have one on a bet.
If I had my drithes, one thing I'd add is a water tap over the stove for filling large pots to cook pasta. Too late for that now, but I'm thinking of an extension with a hose. I'm always looking for storage and pantry ideas. Never enough.

[Rachel Perlow]

See previous page for some of your answers.

Actually Jason's been bugging me to put in one of those pot-fillers. I should at least check to see the cost before they close up the walls and have the plumbing inspected...

[jaybee]

I went back and caught up onthe thread. The Garland, how many burners? Propane or natural gas? The one with the griddle? I switched several years ago to a Viking four burner with the griddle in the middle. Propane, 'cause we don't have natural gas in the country. It is a wonderful thing to cook on. I expect you'll be very happy with your Garland. I installed the twin fans in the hood, the largest capacity I could get. They work wonders. No matter how much smoke i generate, it goes right up and out.

[Rachel Perlow]

Natural gas, 6 burners, no griddle or grill, I wanted the griddle Jason didn't. He usually gets what he wants, it saves arguments. Jay - why didn't you want the grill or griddle again?

[jaybee]

You can always put a pot on the griddle for heat too. I figured I rarely have more than four burners going at once and on these babies, there is enough space between burners for really big fry pans. So, Jay, why didn't you want the griddle?
I love the look of the Garland; a mean cooking machine!