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#1 Steve Plotnicki

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Posted 08 June 2002 - 02:01 PM

In the "Chefs as Writers" thread a subtopic developed about classic cookbooks and I thought it deserved its own thread. Here are some books no cookbook collection should be without.

Louise Bertholle - Secrets of the Great French Restaurants
Richard Olnay - Simple Cooking
Patricia Wells - Bistro Cooking
Chris Schlesinger & John Willoughby - The Thrill of the Grill
Harold McGhee - Science of Cooking
Robert Carrier - Great Dishes of the World

There are loads more. Feel free to post your list.

#2 Robert Schonfeld

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Posted 08 June 2002 - 03:23 PM

I learned to cook from the two volume Child & Lucas Mastering the Art of French Cooking and the two volume Hazan Classic Italian Cuisine. My favorite bread book is The Bread Builders by Dan Wing. I also like Bugialli's books.
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#3 John Whiting

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Posted 08 June 2002 - 04:45 PM

Steve, thank you for a posting with which I can agee wholeheartedly! Details to follow.
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#4 Jinmyo

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Posted 08 June 2002 - 04:52 PM

Jacques Pepin's Complete Techniques which is a reissue and combination of his books La Methode and La Technique.

Hm. Do we want to list Escoffier and things like that? What do we mean by "classic"? Having stood the test of time, I think. But by what time-frame? 30 years? 50 years? More?
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#5 Suzanne F

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Posted 08 June 2002 - 06:20 PM

Italian Regional Cooking by Ada Boni
EVERYTHING by Elizabeth David (too numerous to mention)
James Beard's American Cookery
EVERYTHING by Jeffrey Alford and Naomi Duguid: Flatbreads and Flavors, Seductions of Rice, and Hot Sour Salty Sweet
EVERYTHING by M.F.K. Fisher (also too numerous to mention)
Home Cooking and More Home Cooking by Laurie Colwin
Uncommon Fruits and Vegetables and Vegetables from Amaranth to Zucchini by Elizabeth Schneider

All of these define their subjects so thoroughly, carry so much information (culinary, sociogical, historical), and have so many usable recipes -- to me, that's what makes a classic.  Escoffier is excellent historical reference, but dare I say his day has long since passed for usefulness (outside of certification exams).

#6 Jon Tseng

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 04:42 AM

not convinced about the patricia wells bistro cooking. always struck me as a. n. other french bourgeois cook book.

fernand point's ma cuisine
Culinary Artstry; Dornenburg-Page
Quentin Crewe Great Chefs of France (something of a hagiography for the Bocuse crowd, but quite important in launching the whole three star chef peronality cult thing)
Of the Elizabeth David books, French Provincial Cooking & Omelette and a GLass of Wine

will think of more as/when they occur

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#7 Steve Plotnicki

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 06:00 AM

Jon - Well what makes the Patricia Wells book (in fact most of her books) different is that most of the recipes comes from bistros. Just flipping thorugh the book, 6 out of 11 appetizers are from restaurants, four out of 12 soups, 17 out of 22 salads etc. It not only functioned as a cookbook, but as a restaurant guide because it gave some insight as to what she thought were signature dishes at bistros all around France. Bistro Cooking is sort of the modern day successor to the Louise Bertholle book, which lists almost all of the famous dishes in France, by restaurant during the 70's.

#8 Ron Johnson

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 06:08 AM

I have recently completed a collection of every cookbook by James Beard.  They make for interesting reading.  Definitley old-school, but lots of classic technique.  And, lots of fat.

#9 Sandra Levine

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 06:44 AM

I agree with all the above, and can add:

Madhur Jaffrey - An Invitation to Indian Cooking

I learned to bake bread from Edward Dspe Brown's The Tassajara Bread Book.  Many of the breads in it seem too hippy-dippy to me now, but the sections on making the sponge and shaping hold up well.

Paula Wolfert Couscous and Other Good Food from Morocco

An old Joy of Cooking still offers good basic information

#10 Steve Plotnicki

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:02 AM

I agree with the Paula Wolfert Couscous book and might I add her "The Cooking of Southwest France" to the list as well.

#11 La Niña

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:10 AM

I wholeheartedly agree with Sandra abouut Madhur Jaffrey's "An Invitation to Indian Cooking."  One of my favorites.

I also love all of Copeland Marks' books.  And a book called "Yiddish Cuisine" which is the best primer of Ashkenazi food I've ever seen.

#12 Steve Plotnicki

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:17 AM

I'm going to disagree with the Mark's books, some of which I own. I never thought they were really top quality books. I think there are better books written on almost every region.

#13 La Niña

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:21 AM

Well, what's a "top quality" book?  I like Marks' books because they're straight and to the point, the recipes are simple and eminently executable, and his narrative is brief yet informative.

#14 Robert Schonfeld

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:30 AM

Correction to my earlier post:

Julia Child's co-authors for Vol 1 of Mastering the Art of French Cooking were Louisette Bertholle and Simone Beck; for Vol II, her co-author was just Simone Beck.

The titles of Marcell Hazan's two volume set are:

The Classic Italian Cookbook and More Classic Italian Cooking

The co-author of The Bread Builders with Dan Wing is Alan Scott

I think Pepin is the best teacher of technique for home cooks, both in his books and on television.

The Italian classic, The Art of Eating Well (1891), by Pellegrino Artusi, has been translated into English by Kyle Phillips.
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#15 Orik

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:39 AM

Thought I'd add two which are lesser known in the US, but certainly are the best I've seen in their category:

Cresci: The Art of Leavened Dough
by Iginio Massari, Achille Zoia

Patisserie of Pierre Hermé (English/French Edition)
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#16 Steve Plotnicki

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 07:54 AM

Nina - While the Copeland books might be good books, they certainly they aren't essentials for a cookbook library. I was trying to draw the distinction between useful and necessary.The Julia Child French cookbooks, now those are a necessity for any well rounded collection.

#17 La Niña

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 08:14 AM

Gotcha.  You're right, the Marks books aren't' essential, but boy, are they fun.

I do, however, consider the Jaffrey book an essential for anyone interested in embarking on an Indian cooking jaunt, or learning the basics.

#18 John Whiting

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 08:35 AM

The Italian classic, The Art of Eating Well (1891), by Pellegrino Artusi, has been translated into English by Kyle Phillips.

Kyle runs a very good Italian food website and newsletter. Anyone who loves Italian should get on his list.

Steve, I agree about the Wells Bistro Cookbook. I go back and cook from it whenever I feel homesick for a Paris bistro.

Another remarkable anthology is _Cuisine du Terroir: The Lost Domain of French Cooking_ It is a collection of recipes chosen in 1984 by the Master Chefs of France and represent their personal selection of classic dishes which were in danger of disappearing.  The editor was Céline Vence.

As a book, how dated it is! The chefs are listed in the back of the book, in small print, and it would take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out which chef was responsible for which recipe.
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#19 CathyL

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 09:36 AM

In addition to the above:

Claudia Roden's Books of Middle Eastern and Jewish Food
Deborah Madison's Vegetarian Cooking for Everyone
Julia's The Way to Cook
Jane Grigson's Vegetable Book

Pastry:
Rose Berenbaum's The Cake Bible
anything by Maida Heatter
Paula Peck's The Art of Fine Baking

#20 Robert Schonfeld

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 09:43 AM

Kyle runs a very good Italian food website and newsletter. Anyone who loves Italian should get on his list.


Second that.

Click for About.com's Italian Food site hosted by Kyle Phillips
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#21 Wilfrid

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 10:30 AM

I would say a Larousse is essential.  Much more than a cookbook, but it's hardly short of recipes.

#22 John Whiting

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 10:44 AM

Larousse - yes indeed, certainly essential for anyone interested in French cuisine. And those with a historical perspective should have the first edition, edited and largely written by the great Prosper Montagné.

As for the latest edition, the best translator I know tells me that the English language edition is full of errors, mistranslations, and maladaptations. Those who read French would be well advised to get the original.
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#23 Wilfrid

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 11:07 AM

There are two English language versions - one for the UK, one for the States.  I use the latter - have no idea about the accuracy of the translation, but still find it very useful.

#24 Liza

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 12:15 PM

My goodness, am I the first to mention Michel Roux's "Sauces"? Absolutely essential in our kitchen.

#25 heyjude

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 12:24 PM

CathyL,I'm mad that you got to Maida Heatter before I did. Her books are great because they are 100% reliable and the recipes are well-written and tempting. I was slow because I am composing a list of classics,keepers and must-haves. Different people have different needs. I am often asked what 5 or 10 books would be a good gift for someone who wants to cook,but knows nothing beyond toast. So when we get back from some outdoor time on this sunny Seattle day,I'll post again. In the meanwhile,lurkers,please discuss among yourselves.
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#26 Steve Plotnicki

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 12:47 PM

John - In addition the recipes in the Wells book all work. It's one of the few books where they actually tested the recipes first. Do you not have the Louise Bertholle book? It's quite amazing.

Cathy L. - Yes both the Roden and Madison books should be on the list.

Let's see if I can list some categories to get the topic going.

How about a Mexican book? Dianne Kennedy? Rick Bayliss? Zarella's first cookbook actually is quite good. Kennedy is the standard but a little dry for a spicy topic.

New England - Jasper White's book from when he had his own restaurant is a terrific book and has a good recipe for everything from clambakes to pot roasts.

Mediterranean - As I had mentioned elsewhere, I cook more from Joyce Goldstein's "The Mediteranean Kitchen" and "Back to Square One" than any other cookbooks. They feature every type of Mediteranean cuisine imagineable. From Portugal to Sicily to Israel. All easy to make recipes that are in line with home cooking.  And how about the Silver Palate Cookbook for straight ahead home cooking.

#27 CathyL

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 01:47 PM

Steve, absolutely the Jasper White.  

Please add Joyce's "Kitchen Conversations" to the list.

And Tsuji's Japanese Cooking: A Simple Art.

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 04:14 PM

My additions to the list:
- The New making of a cook Madeleine Kamman
- Anything Alice Waters
- Anything James Beard and Julia Child - nothing goes wrong  with these recipes

Can you inculde the recent professional cookbooks ? ie Charlie Trotter, Thomas Keller, or Alfred Portale ?  
For inspriation and practically in the restaurant I look to Alfred Portale and recently Gray Kunz.
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#29 Liza

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 04:25 PM

Re: Alice Waters, and with apologies for being slightly off topic:
She gave a book signing yesterday at the Union Square farmer's market, a few of the farmer's were irate that they had to give up space to accomodate her. "Who the f**k is Alice Waters?", at least one asked. Oh how I wish I could have been there to answer, "Probably the number one reason why people are interested in buying what you grow."

#30 Sandra Levine

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Posted 09 June 2002 - 05:45 PM

I had to run to work today, and by the time I got back, CathyL had posted some of the additional "musts" from my cookbook shelf. Paula Peck's The Art of Fine Baking, especially, is a forgotten gem.  I'm also glad to see that Jane Grigson has been mentioned.





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