Thanksgiving Day Wines
Posted 07 November 2001 - 08:12 AM
Posted 07 November 2001 - 08:25 AM
They go good with hearty food like this.
Posted 07 November 2001 - 09:27 PM
(Edited by Sandra Levine at 8:47 pm on Nov. 8, 2001)
Posted 08 November 2001 - 11:09 AM
Posted 08 November 2001 - 11:15 AM
Posted 08 November 2001 - 12:50 PM
if i recall correctly, last years' was actually a decent year and drinkable. normally, i find these wines insipid. fun and festive, but insipid.
Quote: from Jason Perlow on 1:15 pm on Nov. 8, 2001
The nouveau is a good idea
(Edited by tommy at 9:09 am on Nov. 9, 2001)
Posted 08 November 2001 - 01:24 PM
Posted 08 November 2001 - 04:12 PM
After all the alsatian ones are pretty cheap..
Posted 08 November 2001 - 08:23 PM
Posted 08 November 2001 - 08:42 PM
Posted 08 November 2001 - 11:00 PM
98 Australian Shiraz (both a little young but what the hey).
Posted 09 November 2001 - 08:05 AM
Quote: from Jason Perlow on 1:15 pm on Nov. 8, 2001
The nouveau is a good idea. Just remember to drink it and dont let it sit for months.
Some Nouveaus can last for years...most however just get flat and lose their youth and fruit.
I always serve mine chilled, and I am a glutton for them when the vintages are good. I just love the young fruit, and lighter tanins (when chilled), and can drrink these wines way too easily!
Posted 09 November 2001 - 08:24 PM
Rioja, Rioja, Rioja!
I also understand the preference for an American wine on Thanksgiving. I'd say it would be most appropriate to get one from Virginia. I attended a tasting of Virginia wines earlier this year and found them more than up to the task of gracing a Thanksgiving table.
My two favorite American wines with Thanksgiving-type food are Pinot Noir (preferably from Oregon) if you want to go red and, as Katherine suggests, Viognier if you want to go white.
And then there is the option of sparkling wine. A sparkling rose in particular would strike just the right festive note. Too few people pair sparkling wine with food, yet sparkling wines marry brilliantly with a broad spectrum of foods.
I will be drinking two Oregon wines with my Thanksgiving meal this year, both from Argyle Winery: The 1998 reserve Pinot Noir and the 1989 extended tirage sparkling. You won't find any of the latter in a wine store (you have to get it from the source) but the 1999 Pinot Noir should be around.
Posted 14 November 2001 - 01:35 PM
There is no "good" beajolais nouveau, it simply is what it is: party wine released early to celebrate the harvest.
Zinfandel, while possible an American varietal not counting its link to primitivo, is hotly alcoholic and extremely fruity, making it hard to pair with food in general much less Thanksgiving dinner specifically.
Off-dry rieslings at the kabinett level and gewurztraminer are fine, but not especially dramatic additions to the table.
With simple roast turkey and the regular side dishes, a white burgundy is probably the most correct match. However, if the turkey is served with some hearty dressing or a brown gravy, I tend to opt for very mature Cabernet or Bordeaux. These wines will have mellowed tannins and restrained fruit, unlike the fruit-bombs recently produced in California. Good red Bordeaux is the perfect food wine, and has been consumed for decades in France with all manners of food including fish. The same could be said for red burgundy and the better American Pinot Noirs. The lively acidity of these wines make them an excellent complement to a lavish meal.
As for me personally, I am going totally off-track and having a lovely 1990 Ogier Cote Rotie, which should be just right for pairing up with some good grub.
I think the most important thing is to try to avoid too many sweet dishes on the Thanksgiving table. Sweet food doesn't pair well with most wines, making them taste sour and off.
Posted 15 November 2001 - 08:31 AM
there is no "correct" match, or even levels of correctness. i'm going with rieisling and cab franc from long island.
Quote: from ron johnson on 3:35 pm on Nov. 14, 2001
a white burgundy is probably the most correct match
Posted 15 November 2001 - 09:17 AM
Posted 15 November 2001 - 11:53 AM
i'll assume that's rhetorical and tongue-in-cheek.
Quote: from ron johnson on 11:17 am on Nov. 15, 2001
Is that your opinion, or do you have some authority for such a statement?
my statement was meant point out that people shouldn't get hung up on what is accepted as "correct", especially when it comes to food and wine. it is, after all, a matter of personal taste.
more traditional? i'll buy that. but there isn't a right and wrong. if there were, we would have all bought the book by now and we'd know what wine correctly pairs with what food, avoiding the mistakes we presumably would have made before. i think we agree on that point!
Posted 15 November 2001 - 12:12 PM
Posted 15 November 2001 - 12:33 PM
there are quite a few. Hargrave is one, but i think they were just bought by an italian company. bedell is another. i'm on a cab franc kick recently, and they really make some jammy and lush cab francs. a little fuller than loire's. LI has also had some success (for my taste anyway) with sauv blanc. their chards are hardly oaked and very drinkable.
Quote: from ron johnson on 2:12 pm on Nov. 15, 2001
On another point, what Long Island wineries do you like in particular?
i used to joke about LI wines before i had them, assuming they were crap. however, i went out to the forks last year for a wedding and stopped at several wineries. i was *very* pleasantly surprised.
unforunately, because they can't produce very much, most stays within NY state.
for anyone dining in NYC, i'd recommend the Tasting Room. great food, and an all-american wine list. wines from the finger lakes, LI, and even west virginia are available. they have 6 or 8 selections by the glass nightly, which change, so there's always opportunity to try something new.
and now i'm thristy.
Posted 15 November 2001 - 01:47 PM
Posted 25 November 2002 - 09:26 PM
which wine(s) to serve with this multi-flavored holiday meal??????????
a zin? an american cab? a french bordeaux or burgundy? a beaujolais? (which cru?), merlot? pinot noir?
let's see how egulleteers solve this riddle.
Posted 25 November 2002 - 09:31 PM
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Posted 26 November 2002 - 12:19 AM
Personally, I prefer a good Oregon pinot noir.
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Posted 26 November 2002 - 05:11 AM
2. German Riesling. Don't ask me why I look to Germany/Austria/Alsalce for turkey drinks. Just do. I agree with the others above who tout Riesling, although I would go for a good Kabinett (JJ Prum, especially in 1997-1999). Spatlese and Auslese wines are too sweet, methinks. But, I prefer German to Alsatian rieslings here, as I think you need more fat to complement stuffing, yams etc.
3. Austrian Gruner Veltliner. Also a good choice and impressive to the snobs (Prager is a good choice here).
4. Alsatian Pinot Noir. Leon Beyer if you can get it. Serve it slightly colder than cellar temp or chilled as they do in France. Very nice with turkey.
5. Umathum Zweigelt. Cheap Austrian red that I had in Vienna once with roast turkey. Really fab.
Posted 26 November 2002 - 05:18 AM
Posted 26 November 2002 - 05:43 AM
Posted 26 November 2002 - 07:05 AM
Is that wine available in Manhattan, Jaybee?
that nice reisling (Selbach Oster, Zeltinger, Schlossberg, Kabinett 2000) I brought to the Diwan dinner.
Posted 26 November 2002 - 07:28 AM
Posted 26 November 2002 - 07:35 AM
Thursday, traditional turkey/trimmings, no sausage dressing though:
white: 1996 marc tempe riesling burgreben
red: 1998 argyle reserve pinot, i think. Not final, though.
Friday, long-smoked brisket, and other slightly similar trimmings, plus leftovers
white/aperitif: 2001 brun beaujolais blanc, in copious quantities
red: 1988 clerico arte en magnum
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