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#1 achevres

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 07:50 AM

I can never get that NY pizza sauce taste. What are the secrets? Thanks!

#2 Peter Reinhart

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 08:11 AM

I don't think there are any real secrets. The sauce at DiFaro's in Brookly is one of the best I've had and I think the secret is Dominic DMarco (and his little orgegano plant in the window). Of course, he's been making pizzas in that same spot for the past 40 years.
I think the key is to keep it simple and don't cook the sauce if your tomatoes come out of a can (and try to use ground whole plum tomatoes instead of puree or paste, or anything called "pizza sauce"). San Marzano is the famous Italian imported brand (and type) but there are many great American tomato products such as anything from Stanislaus (6 in 1 is their most famous pizzeria sauce and you can sometimes find it in small cans), Muir Glen, and even Hunts and other major brands. Use dried basil and oregano only if you like them, as well as granuated garlic and salt and pepper to taste. Don't mess with it too much--simple is often better than complex in this matter. Make it thin and easy to spread and don't use too much. I have a couple of recipe variations for this in "American Pie," but I think the main error home cooks make is to cook the sauce. It will get cooked on the pizza so if you cook it in advance it takes away from the brightness of flavor.
Finally, in the end, it's a personal taste issue and, as cooks, it about personal touch.

#3 achevres

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 08:33 AM

Thanks again!

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 08:50 AM

I'll add something here, that is pertinent to canned tomatoes. You'll notice that some cans have a white enamel coating on the inside. This helps a lot to keep down the tinny,flavor that plagues so many canned acidic foods (tomatoes, grapefruit juice, etc.). The manufactures who use enameled cans are taking an extra step to keep the flavors fresh. Maybe for restaurant supply there isn't so much choice but for us supermarket consumers, you might as well exercise the choice.

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#5 achevres

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 09:02 AM

Peter, I have a chef connection that may get me a can of Stanislau.

I was looking on the web and Stanislau doesn't have a "6 in 1" product. They have 7/11, Pizzaletto, 74/40, Full-Red PizzaSauce, Saporito and Al Dente (and also plum tomatoes). Which sauce were you referring to?

A company called Escalon makes the "6 in 1" sauce. From another board I get the impresion that 7/11 or the Full-Red sauce are similiar to the "6 in 1". Escalon will ship a "small" order of 3 cans. What do you think? Both brands are fresh-packed.

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 09:13 AM

I don't think there are any real secrets. The sauce at DiFaro's in Brookly is one of the best I've had and I think the secret is Dominic DMarco (and his little orgegano plant in the window). Of course, he's been making pizzas in that same spot for the past 40 years.

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#7 Jason Perlow

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 09:20 AM

In addition to fresh tomatoes, good olive oil and his basil plant I think Domenic DiMarco cooks left over prosciuttini and parmigiano rinds in his sauce to give it that extra something, and then removes them when they have rendered their "oomph"
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#8 Peter Reinhart

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 10:26 AM

Peter, I have a chef connection that may get me a can of Stanislau.

I was looking on the web and Stanislau doesn't have a "6 in 1" product. They have  7/11, Pizzaletto, 74/40, Full-Red PizzaSauce, Saporito and Al Dente (and also plum tomatoes). Which sauce were you referring to?

A company called Escalon makes the "6 in 1" sauce. From another board I get the impresion that  7/11 or the Full-Red sauce are similiar to the "6 in 1". Escalon will ship a "small" order of 3 cans. What do you think? Both brands are fresh-packed.

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You're right it's Escalon, not Stanislau. They both are excellent brands, fairly comparable in terms of the riopeness of the tomatoes they choose. I think you'll be happy with either brand. Let me know which one you end up preferring. It would be a great survey for all of us to share favorite brands and why.
Thanks!

#9 Peter Reinhart

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 10:28 AM

In addition to fresh tomatoes, good olive oil and his basil plant I think Domenic DiMarco cooks left over prosciuttini and parmigiano rinds in his sauce to give it that extra something, and then removes them when they have rendered their "oomph"

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What a great trick--no wonder I like his sauce so much! This is one time when pre-cooking may be a plus.

#10 chow guy

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Posted 08 October 2004 - 11:28 AM

but I think the main error home cooks make is to cook the sauce. It will get cooked on the pizza so if you cook it in advance it takes away from the brightness of flavor.
  Finally, in the end, it's a personal taste issue and, as cooks, it about personal touch.

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Bingo!
I think you might have solved my "brightness problem" Thanks!