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Poulet de Bresse

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#121 sharonb

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 03:17 AM

... if you still do not grasp the difference between trumpets and black truffles, maybe it is simply time that you begin cooking with truffles and see for yourself.


Thanks for the link, Ptipois, which I will follow.

I have quoted this, though, because I think it's the root (or fungus) of the problem - and the reason this thread is now turning in circles. The point has never been defined.

What is the "difference" between trumpets and truffles? Of course they are drastically different. A radish is very different from a carrot. But they are two root vegetables, and if I make some remark about their "similarity", it's not because I think radishes taste like carrots, or can be prepared in similar ways or work in the same kinds of dishes. But they have a few points in common. That is all.

So when you note that I "do not grasp the difference between trumpets and truffles" - I have to ask: what difference? What aspect of them?

I have cooked with truffles. I have made poularde demi-deuil at my friend's house in Villers-sur-Mer. I have made omelets with truffles and gratins of potatoes.

But of course I look forward to learning more about them and their uses and if ever I'm lucky enough to have a fresh one again, I'll keep on exploring.

#122 Ptipois

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 05:22 AM

Okay. You are right to hit the nail on the core of the topic, which btw is no longer chicken (or only marginally so) but truffles. All the more since the book is now decidedly out of print, I may as well recall the main points here.

Truffles are not just a fungus. They are an aromatic agent whose field of action is very particular, going far beyond mushroomity. At early periods of truffle studies (early 19th century) it was even wondered whether they were vegetable, animal or mineral. Some wrote they were a little of the three. One biologist believed he got rid of the problem by describing them as "animalized vegetables". The truffle is very paradoxal. There is some sort of historical rule concerning the use of black truffle: the more pungent and spicy the diet is, the less truffles are used. When spices and fermented foods go down, truffle goes up. One part of the truffle paradox is that, although its flavor is strong, it may be easily destroyed by other assertive flavors. It is actually very fragile and is better off used with plain, mild ingredients, which it will support and reveal. Also, it is unlikely to overpower the flavors of other foods. As Pébeyre writes, "elle doit avoir un peu de vide autour d'elle", i.e. it should be allowed to perform in a blank space, and not be challenged. Hence its uses with mild fowls, foie gras, pâtés, potatoes, rice, cream, etc. Some strong flavors suit it well (garlic for instance) some do not. To illustrate that, it is interesting to notice that there is no traditional use of truffles in Provençal cooking or in Spanish cooking, although they are plentiful in upper Provence and eastern Spain. Whereas they are important in French Southwestern and Lyonnais cuisines: a quick study of those cuisines and their favorite ingredients will tell a lot.

Morels (tastewise) are actually closer to truffles than other mushrooms in the way that they accompany tastes without overpowering them, hence their traditional use with mild-flavored ingredients like first-rate chicken, fish, veal, cream, etc. Trumpets, as mushrooms go, and however much we may like them, are not so versatile and I'd even say they are at the bottom of the fungus scale regarding versatility. They do not really support and bring out flavors, they add something different, as do for instance cultivated mushrooms that are open and a bit on the old side. There is such a difference of nature between truffles and trumpets that you cannot put them in the same category.

Take for instance a gamey bird like a guinea-fowl. I'd easily prepare it with trumpets provided that they are fresh enough, but I would rather use a truffle on a milder bird. Not that I think a guinea-fowl with truffles would not be good. But I think the truffle would interact better with good chicken.

#123 sharonb

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 07:29 AM

Fascinating, Ptipois. Thanks for taking the time to post that.

Ample food for thought about the cultural penchant for bland or mild foods, considered somehow more noble than ones with pungent or pronounced tastes (sole vs. mackerel). In this case, truffles might then, in some sense, sublimate those classy mild foods by adding something more complex but which would be lost in stronger-tasting fare?

#124 bleudauvergne

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:08 AM

Yoo Hoo! I like my Poulet de Bresse in a croute de sel, recipe on the Poulet de Bresse thread.. I also like to cut it into pieces and do a nice fricassee with a cream sauce and echo pirate and Ptipois's opinions about creamy sauces. If you are looking for good Bresse chicken recipes, why not pick up one of George Blanc's books? I have been happy with the one I have. One of my favorite recipes these days for cooking at home in which you can really use either rabbit or chicken Incorporates trompettes de mort and I have never felt that the taste of the mushroom overwhelms the dish. Perhaps there was something else in the sauce you prepared, Sharon, that brought out an overwhelming flavor? What kind of stock were you using? How else did you season the sauce? You might also consider that trompettes de mort are in season in the month of November. They won't last more than a day or two fresh picked even in season. Were you using dried mushrooms in the sauce? Often dried mushrooms can give an overwhelming flavor to a preparation.

Edited by bleudauvergne, 12 June 2007 - 11:22 AM.


#125 Ptipois

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 12:38 PM

I thought also of mentioning Georges Blanc. To me he is the emperor of poulet de Bresse and the man on Earth who treats that fowl the most fairly. He has a loving, delicate touch on all his products. I have fabulous memories of the poulet recipes he served me while I was working (successively) on two of his books. He learnt all about poulet de Bresse from his mother, la mère Blanc. I have to say the dish that impressed me the most was the simple poule au riz, with a cream sauce and morels, served at the Auberge.

There was also the "poulet G7" which is quite another matter, brings out the goodness of poulet de Bresse perfectly but the calorie overload was remarkable. It is made of cut-up poulet de Bresse sautéed in butter with whole peeled garlic cloves, then a sauce is made with fond de volaille (de Bresse of course), white wine, lots of cream and foie gras, truffle juice and vinegar, and poured over the chicken. Good but much too rich for me; definitely a dish for politicians.

There are some of his chicken recipes in his books, and his son Alexandre also created a great recipe for poularde de Bresse en croûte de sel. Basically he puts a half-head of garlic, half an onion and a bouquet garni inside the bird, and wraps it tightly into a layer of pâte à sel (1,2 kg coarse salt, 1 kg flour, 2 whole eggs + 4 yolks, 15 cl water, mixed and refrigerated overnight), then the whole thing is baked for 1 h 30 in a 175 °C oven, then left to rest in a warm place for 30 minutes before the crust is broken and the poularde cut up.

#126 thelawnet

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:44 PM

Here's an appalingly tanslated English Version of the Blanc recipe with Foie Gras.


So, I have tomorrow arriving:

Lobe De Foie Gras Cru De Canard 1er Choix ~500-700g
Poulet de Bresse 1.50kg~

Does anyone have an up-to-date link for this recipe?

#127 Dave Hatfield

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:54 AM

Did you mean this recipe?

Edited by heidih, 17 February 2012 - 09:54 AM.
Fix link


#128 kitwilliams

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

Steven:

This is an old thread but was just reading it and wondering if you ever saw the "chicken brick" episode of Beyond River Cottage. If not, you must, it is great TV, here it is:



Enjoy!
kit

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