79 replies to this topic

[Lindacakes]

Thanks, Andie. I know the jars of garlic you're talking about and the tins of olive oil. I'll give it a try!

[Jmahl]

What a brilliant idea.  I will be trying to make a batch of mustard soon.

Jmahl

Well soon - turned into almost a year and a half. Just made my first batch of mustard. I will report back on how it turns out. Looks good right now.

Just noted - this is my 600th post.

Jmahl

[andiesenji]

Congratulations, Jmahl!

Better late than never.

What type of mustard seed are you using?


I heard a few months ago about RED mustard seed and have been trying to find a vendor who has a supply that doesn't originate in China.

It is supposed to be much hotter and more pungent than the black or brown varieties so it intrigues me.
I wonder if anyone else has heard of it or has even used it.

Edited by andiesenji, 08 June 2009 - 10:21 AM.

[Beth Wilson]

I noticed Vesey's has a Red Indian Mustard in their stir fry collection of seeds.

Don't know it that is the same thing but you could check it out.

b

[qrn]

Andi,I was not reading this thread all along, but found your recipe/method, in a site search.
I made a batch 4 or 5 months ago and it was a magnum opus recipe!!!!I had been trying to make edible mustard since the early 80's and had given up....Thanks for "THE" mustard recipe...Great work...Thanks!!!

Bud

[iguana]

Thank you for this great topic-- I am definitely planning to make some mustard. For now, I had a bee in my bonnet to make ketchup. I used the David Page and Barbara Shin recipe from "Recipes from Home"; this recipe was also published in Fine Cooking volume 16, and is available in PDF format if you subscribe to the website.

This recipe is amazing-- the spice list is longer than your average curry. It starts with charred onions, which my husband did on the grill:


Here is the mise en place:


And a closeup on the spices, with a brown sugar castle in the middle.


The ketchup thickened readily, so I only simmered it for 2 hours instead of three. Holy cats, but this stuff splatters-- I think it could be used to train volcanologists in working with magma.

The ketchup is deliciously spicy, but a little harsh-- I suspect that, like pickles, the flavors will blend and mellow over time. Here is one of my little beauties:


I only made a half-recipe, which yielded seven half-pints. We are making hamburgers this weekend with oven-roasted potatoes. I can't wait.

Jen

[Jmahl]

Congratulations, Jmahl!

Better late than never.

What type of mustard seed are you using?


I heard a few months ago about RED mustard seed and have been trying to find a vendor who has a supply that doesn't originate in China.

It is supposed to be much hotter and more pungent than the black or brown varieties so it intrigues me.
I wonder if anyone else has heard of it or has even used it.

I used a light seed - results have been very good. I intend to keep trying using various combinations.

Jmahl

[The Old Foodie]

Has anyone ever tried making their own Worcester(shire) Sauce ? I have a recipe from 1870 that I have been meaning to try for ages. Maybe I should shut-up thinking about it and get on with it!

[Dave the Cook]

Erm. Worcestershire sauce. I've made some modifications since posting that recipe, and I'm happy to discuss.

[nickrey]

Erm. Worcestershire sauce. I've made some modifications since posting that recipe, and I'm happy to discuss.

Hi Dave, interesting recipe. I always thought that tamarind was a key element of worcestershire sauce.

[The Old Foodie]

Erm. Worcestershire sauce. I've made some modifications since posting that recipe, and I'm happy to discuss.

Sounds fantastic, and a whole lot better than the 19th C version.
Thanks!

Janet

[MarkinHouston]

I have a double batch of Andi's master mustard waiting patiently for completion. I know that some will get spiked with Mae Ploy sweet chili sauce, as Andi suggested. If I add horseradish, should I grate some fresh or would bottled (and drained?) be an acceptable alternative. Tarragon or other fresh herbs to taste for another batch? I also bought several habaneros but am not sure how much or how little to add...anyone have experience adding hot pepper to mustaard? Thanks.

[franktex]

Love this topic. Here's a mustard that I make using a local craft stout beer that is outstanding. You could use Guinness, but a more full-flavored stout works best.

Saint Arnold Spicy Stout Mustard

Makes 3 1/2 cups

1 12-oz. bottle Saint Arnold Winter Stout
1 1⁄2 cups brown mustard seeds (10 oz.)
1 cup red wine vinegar
1 tbsp. kosher salt
1 tsp. freshly ground black pepper
1⁄4 tsp. ground cinnamon
1⁄4 tsp. ground cloves
1⁄4 tsp. ground nutmeg
1⁄4 tsp. ground allspice

1. Combine ingredients in a nonreactive mixing bowl. Cover with plastic wrap and let sit at room temperature for 1–2 days so that the mustard seeds soften and the flavors meld.
2. Transfer the mixture to the bowl of a food processor and process, stopping occasionally to scrape down the sides of the bowl with a rubber spatula, until the seeds are coarsely ground and the mixture thickens, about 3 minutes. Transfer to a jar and cover.
3. Refrigerate overnight and use immediately or refrigerate for up to 6 months.

It goes great, of course, with brats and beers!

Edited by franktex, 09 July 2009 - 08:23 AM.

[andiesenji]

I have a double batch of Andi's master mustard waiting patiently for completion. I know that some will get spiked with Mae Ploy sweet chili sauce, as Andi suggested. If I add horseradish, should I grate some fresh or would bottled (and drained?) be an acceptable alternative. Tarragon or other fresh herbs to taste for another batch? I also bought several habaneros but am not sure how much or how little to add...anyone have experience adding hot pepper to mustaard? Thanks.

Use the bottled and drained horseradish.

Use of the habaneros can be dicey I suggest you chop them very fine - remove the seeds and the ribs and the top 1/4 where the heat seems to be concentrated - and add just a small amount at a time.

I have used rocotos (aka manzano) (they have a distinct apple flavor in addition to the pepper) and they have black seeds. They are hotter than serranos, but certainly nowhere near the heat of a Scotch bonnet or habanero.
I checked my notes and I used half of a medium-sized rocoto in a one-quart batch of mustard.
It was very spicy!

[Dave the Cook]

Erm. Worcestershire sauce. I've made some modifications since posting that recipe, and I'm happy to discuss.

Hi Dave, interesting recipe. I always thought that tamarind was a key element of worcestershire sauce.

Tamarind is traditional; I wouldn't call it essential. The proof is in the making: the linked recipe produces something that is easily recognized as Worcestershire sauce. So I conclude that tamarind is used mostly for its sourness, which in Emeril's original recipe is provided by vinegar (the number one ingredient in most, if not all, commerical Worcestershires) and lemon.

The basics of the sauce, to me, are sharpness (from souring agents), smoky sweetness (from the Steen's syrup) and whatever word you use to describe the flavor that anchovies add. The lemon zest underscores the citrus notes, which along with the Steen's syrup (commercial preparations use molasses) gives this version of the sauce a unique twist.

Having said that, I've been working with tamarind, but haven't nailed the proportions yet.

[andiesenji]

I use tamarind paste in some of my sambal recipes. Works great and there is less liquid to reduce than when I use vinegar.
Note: Some brands are a bit more tart than others!

[rlummis]

The February 2009 issue of Saveur magazine had a recipe for worcestershire sauce that contains tamarind concentrate, ginger, cardamom, clove, and cinnamon among other ingredients. I have a batch aging in the refrigerator, so I will let you know how it comes out.

[MarkinHouston]

I took a quart of Andie's master mustard to my reunion last weekend. I added the Mae Ploy sheet chili sauce and served t with spicy roasted pork loin and pickled onions. The mustard was completely gone afterwards, and several people siad it was the best they have ever eaten. Thank you, I am a real believer!

[rlummis]

I have now sampled the Saveur magazine worcestershire sauce and think it's pretty good. However, I think it needs more heat, more anchovy, and maybe a little more sweet. I will tinker a bit, modify with Dave's modification of Emeril's recipe and post. It will take a while.

[TylerK]

Congratulations, Jmahl!

Better late than never.

What type of mustard seed are you using?


I heard a few months ago about RED mustard seed and have been trying to find a vendor who has a supply that doesn't originate in China.

It is supposed to be much hotter and more pungent than the black or brown varieties so it intrigues me.
I wonder if anyone else has heard of it or has even used it.

Do you know if there is a similar difference between the black/brown/yellow seeds? Would one type of seed be better for a hotter mustard and a different one better for a sweet mustard?