Posted 11 May 2004 - 10:39 PM
1) Freezing fresh octopus first; then boiling it for 15-20 minutes (or until an unpeeled potato is tender), lifting it three times out of the boiling water for a few seconds and then re-submerging it. Result: always too tough and rubbery. The alternative (i.e. leaving it for another two hours, the theory being it's either 20 minutes or 120 minutes) makes it tender but mushy and tasteless. All the goodness leaks into the broth - so we end up making octopus rice.
2) Beating the hell out of fresh octopus, as fishermen (and Greeks) do. Result: mushy octopus, tasty but with no bite.
3) Putting frozen octopus into a pressure cooker, no water and a cork ( Don't ask! Nobody knows why). Result: worked well only once. Other times it was disagreeably burnt.
4) The brief Japanese method - too chewy and tough, unless you slice it very thin.
I've tried sea water, unsalted spring water and even octopus stock from previous fiascos.
No such problems occur with squid or cuttlefish. What's your method? If you're like Portuguese cooks, you won't say - and I'm used to that. I know however you won't do the Portuguese trick of giving incomplete instructions, so that you seem friendly without actually encouraging competition.
Many thanks beforehand!
Posted 13 May 2004 - 01:28 AM
I have always used one of the methods you have already used and discarded, dropping the octopus into boiling water for a minute or two then rescueing it to somewhere cool, repeating this two more times then simmering for an hour. At this point the octopus is ready to be cooked again - and for another hour - as part of some stew.
Have you thought that this is as good as it gets?
Posted 13 May 2004 - 02:22 AM
Actually, you cleared the mystery once and for all! I had, in fact, just been scooping the octopus out of the boiling water for less than a minute and then dropping it back in. I had no idea you had to let it cool before replunging. This was the detail that my friendly chefs - grrrr! - omitted, thereby ensuring my frustration.
I shall be using your method from now on, starting Sunday - and we shall raise a glass to you and yours. All the very best!
P.S. Your idea of leaving octopii in the sea is indeed a good one as all the fishermen I know hate them because, in lobster pots, they invariably devour all the crustaceans - and then escape. If you're foolhardy enough to put a live octopus in a seawater-filled bucket with other shellfish (your morning's catch), you'll inevitably find, once you get to shore - or back to your restaurant - that the beast has sucked out all the meat from its neighbours, though their appearance (apart from the telling hole from whence the extraction proceeded) is picture-perfect. Still, they're too delicious. And by leaving them in the sea all they'll do is gobble up an ever greater amount of shrimps, lobsters and crabs. That's why they taste so good, the bastards! :)
Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:01 AM
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 09:14 AM
Perhaps refreshing in ice water during the scaring would amplify the process?
Maybe if I had sliced it much thinner it might have been edible, but it is hard to imagine.
I'll keep trying.
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 09:17 AM
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 09:45 AM
When we were in the Greek Islands, the fisherman would beat them on the rocks, as mentioned by Miguel, then hung on a clothesline.
Anyone know how the Greeks do it for grilled octopus? The dish they serve at S'agapo in Astoria is excellent.
When you ordered one, it got thrown on a battered charcoal grill, seared and then served with some limes and a cold beer. It remains as one of the all time great food memories, but I guess its not practical at home...
Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:00 AM
I want to try the same recipe but replace sechuan pepper corns for the coriander seeds next time.
edit: Mustard seeds might be interesting too.
Edited by bleudauvergne, 13 May 2004 - 10:03 AM.
Posted 16 May 2004 - 12:56 PM