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#1141 andiesenji

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:07 PM

I buy the oblong buns that are made for heartier sandwiches like French dip or "po boys"  etc.,  And I shape the burgers the same way.

 

Decades ago, when the Van de Kamp's restaurants were still open,  they served a "longburger"  exactly this way and it was very popular.

One advantage, when one is adding tomatoes is that you can "shingle" a row of slices of medium-sized tomatoes and they fit and don't slice out, same with onions. 

Like Van de Kamps, I use full inner Romaine leaves as the lettuce, which also stays put.


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#1142 Panaderia Canadiense

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

More questions:

 

1- I shudder when someone drags my knife across the cutting board (say, to move ingredients over to the side), but just saw some knife skills videos where famous chefs recommend doing exactly this. Does it or does it not dull the knife?

 

2 - Really really stupid question - what size/shape should I be chopping my lettuce and veggies into for a salad? (Like carrots, bell peppers, snap peas, cucumbers...) Or should I be tearing lettuce by hand into bite-size pieces? Sometimes my salads are very ungraceful to eat because there's the pieces are too long or big, other times, it ends up more like a chopped salad because there's so many small pieces. Not that this bothers me at home, but I applied for a job involving making salads, so I need to know the more proper way to make them.

 

3 - In a country obsessed with burgers, why can't I find a decent hamburger bun that doesn't fall apart or get soggy? I don't live near any artisanal bakeries or anything, so I am limited to a small but good supermarket. The supermarket doesn't carry Arnold's, which I've seen recommended a lot. (I usually make double-double style burgers, but also lamb burgers and other types.)

 

4 - You know when businesses sell sandwiches that are like five inches tall, or burgers that are seven inches tall, or ridiculously wet, messy, dripping sandwiches? How is anyone supposed to eat one of these? Why would you sell a sandwich that has to be completely reconstructed to fit into the customer's mouth? Or a sandwich that is going to fall apart after two bites?

 

5 - Is there a difference between stuffing and "savory bread pudding"?

 

1.  It sets my teeth on edge as well.  I'm with Andiesenji - I flip my knife over and use the spine to scrape the board into the pot/pan.  Scraping with the cutting edge is something I learned to never ever do, as it damages both the edge of the knife and potentially also the surface of the board.

 

2.  (Bearing in mind this is my opinion, but...)  Lettuce should NEVER be chopped with steel; it promotes rusting and blackening of the cut edges.  I prefer to tear into bite sized pieces (about 1" square, although I'm not OCD about it).  If you're producing industrial amounts of lettuce for salads, sharp plastic knives are available for cutting without reducing the shelf-life of the final product.  As for things like carrots, I'll normally grate those, either very finely with the microplane or coarsely with the bigger box grater.  I will rarely if ever chop carrots for a salad - the amount of crunch is too much.  Snap peas get cut into thirds or quarters, bell peppers are cut into julienne strips 1-2" long, and cucumbers are sliced at 1/8" thick.  The idea is to produce pieces that will easily and comfortably fit into one's mouth without sacrificing aesthetics.

 

3.  You could always make your own buns.....

 

4.  I've always thought that those were meant to be taken apart gently and eaten with knife and fork.  But I'm not even remotely normal....

 

5.  Semantics, but basically a bread stuffing, which is properly a type of forcemeat, should be stuffed into meat of some description before cooking (chicken or turkey are two of the most common recipients of bread stuffings).  Savoury bread pudding is the same recipe, cooked in a pudding bag or an oven-safe receptacle of some sort.  Something else to consider is that there are, of course, stuffings that involve exactly zero bread (ask me sometime about the Ecuadorian approach to stuffing a turkey), but there is no savoury bread pudding without the bread.


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#1143 Beebs

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

^^^BAH!!  Weird posting today.....

 

Anyway, along the same tangent...how is "dressing" different from "stuffing"?  Or is it just a regional thing?  First time I heard "dressing" used, I couldn't figure out what salad dressing had to do with turkey!
 



#1144 Jason Perlow

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

^^^BAH!!  Weird posting today.....

 

Anyway, along the same tangent...how is "dressing" different from "stuffing"?  Or is it just a regional thing?  First time I heard "dressing" used, I couldn't figure out what salad dressing had to do with turkey!
 

 

There is no difference in the composition. The difference is in the cooking method.

 

A "Dressing" is the usual components cooked in a baking dish or casserole or on a baking sheet, using pan juices or stock.

 

A "Stuffing" by traditional definition is stuffed into the carcass of the bird during the cooking process to absorb the juices. Because of concerns of foodborne illness over the last 2 decades, "Stuffings" in the strictest sense of the word are for the most part no longer widely practiced in foodservice or at home. They are Dressings.

 

I have seen "Stuffings" done in things like roulades of chicken or pork, but it is much rarer to see this in a entire bird.

 

Stove Top and Pepperidge Farm still market their products as "Stuffing". But technically, they are implemented as Dressing in most households.

 

Regionally I have heard the cornbread style called "Dressing" particulary if done with Oysters, which is a Southern thing.

 

So, to recap, all Stuffings are Dressings but not all Dressings are Stuffings. And most Stuffings should be called Dressings anyway.


Edited by Jason Perlow, 18 February 2013 - 05:51 PM.

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#1145 mskerr

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

Just apropos point 1: I don't know whether I once saw somebody do this (and forgot), or it just makes sense, but I flick my knife over, and use the spine to move what I've cut. Dragging the blade that way would have to dull it.

That's exactly what I do and what I've been telling others to do, and will keep doing it. (Apparently dough scrapers work well too)

I have never read or seen anything by Jamie Oliver, but yesterday I was watching knife skills videos on YouTube, and he said to drag the knife across the board, as did some other random chef... I was extremely skeptical.



#1146 andiesenji

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:48 PM

I didn't post anything about knives, scraping chopped stuff, etc.

 

I only posted about hamburger buns...


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#1147 patrickamory

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

mskerr, re: no. 3: Martin's potato flour hamburger rolls:

 

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

mskerr, re: no. 3: Martin's potato flour hamburger rolls:
 
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I've looked for these at a few supermarkets but no luck! Is it more of an east coast thing? Or do I just live in the boonies?



#1149 mskerr

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:09 PM

I buy the oblong buns that are made for heartier sandwiches like French dip or "po boys"  etc.,  And I shape the burgers the same way.

Maybe I am hung-up the usual round burger shape. It makes sense to just get the best roll for the job and work around that, huh?



#1150 patrickamory

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:38 PM

It could be an East Coast thing  :sad:



#1151 gfweb

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

Martins are, I believe, a PA thing that penetrates NYC and a few other places. I bet you could get them on the web. They ought to ship well.  For me they are the ne plus ultra of burger rolls.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

What is the easiest way to braise meet?  Lets say a pork roast just to give an example?



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

In the absence of Martin's, I think perhaps Pepperidge Farm burger rolls might work?

 

And James Beard always extolled the virtues of a buttered English muffin... works surprisingly well, if not exactly the same effect! It certainly does not fall to pieces :)



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:56 PM

What is the easiest way to braise meet?  Lets say a pork roast just to give an example?

 

My SOP:

Assemble and prep. all the stuff that's going into the pot (meat, vegetables, herbs, spices, booze, etc.)

 

Preheat the oven to 125C/255F, and briefly heat a Dutch oven or other heavy, lidded pot/pan (I sometimes use a big heavy saute pan) over medium.

 

Brown any root vegetables and onions, adding garlic (if you're using it) right at the end, so it gets about a minute; remove to a bowl.

 

Turn the temperature up to medium high, and brown the meat.

 

Kill heat, and add the vegetable back to the pot, then add herbs and spices.

 

Mix this a bit, then add broth to about halfway up the meat; I add booze at this point, a splash of rum, vodka or akvavit, or a glass of sherry or port.

 

Scrape the fond from the bottom, put the lid on, and put the the pot in the oven.

 

I check every hour or so, to see that the liquid level hasn't dropped significantly.

Depending on the thickness of the meat, it may be ready at any time between 1.5 and 5 hours. Something like pork shoulder I'd give at least 3 hours.

I don't use a thermometer, since the temperature won't tell you how tender the meat is (and my sister still hasn't got around to sending over my Thermapen).

 

Once the meat has reached the consistency you want, you can finish it in the oven, removing the lid and letting the heat and dry air reduce the cooking liquid and brown the meat (turn the heat up, and keep a close eye on progress).

You can also take the meat out of the oven, and do your reduction on the stovetop.

 

Once you get the hang of it, you can figure on half an hour of preliminary work, then the oven does the rest.


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#1155 mskerr

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:54 AM

And James Beard always extolled the virtues of a buttered English muffin... works surprisingly well, if not exactly the same effect! It certainly does not fall to pieces :)

 The english muffin seems to be a debate in the burger community. (But then, what isn't debated?)  Lots of places use it -Prune comes to mind - but I've also heard at least one chef say "hey! A muffin is not a bun!" It definitely works though, and usually makes me want to add canadian bacon and a fried egg to my burger. Yum.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:36 AM

We are not great burger eaters but eat them at our Annual Dog Weekend.  Last year we tried a bun which is available in Costco (Canada).  One Bun from Pita Break from Toronto, ON.  Don't know  if they are available in the US.  (They are not pitas.)

OK  They are made by Ozery Bakery in the States.  Right and Costco in the USA carries them. 

Try them.  You'll like them.  :wink:


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#1157 patrickamory

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

Thanks for the braising summary Mjx - I plan to try your MO next time out.



#1158 mskerr

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

How widely is tourneeing used, and what is the point? Is it just for visual appeal? For uniformity when cooking?

I never do it at home, as to me it seems a bit wasteful, cutting off perfectly good pieces of ingredients...



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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

Not widely used at all.   Its extremely time consuming and produces a ton of scrap.   The only places I really still see it are places that strive to be really classic french.   It's strictly for visual appeal, an even dice will do just as good a job of assuring even cooking.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:37 PM

It's also used, for some odd reason, in high school level culinary arts competitions.



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

Tonight I poached some Scottish salmon filets on a bed of mirepoix. Just barely simmering...as I've done many times...but this time the filets sweated off some albumin as they cooked.  They were cooked perfectly (just a little rare in the center..~108 F) but didn't look perfect with that scum in spots

 

What happened?  Did it get hot too quickly?



#1162 nickrey

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

Don't know what caused it but the same thing happens in sous vide cooking. The recommendation for stopping it involves brining the salmon before cooking.


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#1163 gfweb

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

Hmmm.  I seem to recall a Top Chef cook who had albumin on his/her salmon a few seasons back.  Fortunately I was not asked to pack my knives etc by my wife.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

What is the difference between all-meat Texas chili and Chili con carne? Is there any?

 

 

Texas, especially for competition is very smooth, with no chunks of anything in it other than the meat.  Chili con carne on the other hand, is chunkier in most cases (doesn't have to be) and can contain beans.


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