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#61 nuppe

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 03:53 PM

Thank you, Hiroyuki. And please forget this one: "I have a slight feeling that neither the Japanese or the world take kamaboko/surimi seriously,"
The feeling has gone.



I have made little dive in the world of kamaboko now. Favourite; the top kanikama of Sugiyo. But there was some handmade hanpen, and... it's not possible to compare. Just one more little question: Some people use the world Kamaboko to frame this diversity. Some use the word Nerimono. It seems to me. What's the difference?

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As the word implies, nerimono (lit. something kneaded) is very broad in sense. It actually includes kamaboko, hanpen, satsuma age, chikuwa, etc., etc.
The same goes for almost all other words ending with -mono. The only exception I can think of at the moment is kimono (lit something worn), which in modern Japanese, means only those traditional Japanese garments.

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Thank you! Interesting lecture! You're always vigilant. But is it wrong to use kamaboko as a common term that can include the other surimi based products like chikuwa, satsuma age and hanpen?

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When I hear the word kamaboko, I usually associate it with that semicircular surimi product with or without a wooden board at the bottom.
But I found this passage from Wikipedia:

茹でたものははんぺんやつみれであり、揚げたものは薩摩揚げ(西日本では天ぷらとも呼ばれる)などとなる。これらも広義の蒲鉾の一つといえよう。

from here
Rough translation: Those boiled include hanpen and tsumire, and those fried include satsuma age (also called tempura in Western Japan). These can also be called kamaboko in its broad sense.
So, I guess, depending on whom you speak with, you can call them kamaboko.

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#62 alito

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 05:27 PM

I wonder if there's anywhere in the UK to source these products apart from the Japan Centre?...

#63 Hiroyuki

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:42 PM

I wonder if there's anywhere in the UK to source these products apart from the Japan Centre?...

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Sorry, but I think that your question should be posted in the UK Forum. :sad: :biggrin:

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 09:46 AM

I wonder if there's anywhere in the UK to source these products apart from the Japan Centre?...

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Sorry, but I think that your question should be posted in the UK Forum. :sad: :biggrin:

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Erm... that's a better idea.

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 06:08 PM

Special Hina Matsuri (Girl's Day) kamaboko

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#66 nuppe

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 04:28 PM

:smile:

(How the ... do they make these?)


Special Hina Matsuri (Girl's Day) kamaboko

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#67 GlorifiedRice

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 06:08 PM

Probably like taffy
Wawa Sizzli FTW!

#68 Hiroyuki

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 06:57 PM

Probably like taffy

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Like kintaro ame. :raz:
Just in case you don't know about it, it's like this.

#69 Pouncy

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 01:32 AM

I love kamaboko. Sometimes I'll slice it thickly and bread it in panko instead of chicken strips.

#70 nuppe

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 03:53 PM

I love kamaboko.  Sometimes I'll slice it thickly and bread it in panko instead of chicken strips.

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:smile: Does that mean that you grew up with kamaboko? Or is this a new love?

#71 nuppe

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 06:31 AM

I'm not sure if the kamaboko thread now has been stretched close to the limit. But I have heard there is a new book about surim-kamaboko history written by Tsuji Masaji in Suisan Times(in Japanese of course). Does anyone know this or where it is possible to get it?

#72 v. gautam

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 06:41 AM

Must apologise for a slightly off-topic post but the kamaboko with the images inside them reminded me of their traditional antecedents. I remember watching a show where a master confectioner demonstrated the art of preparing a special sweet for particular festival: on a sheet of mochi a red (bean paste?) filling was slapped down the center in one expert fluid motion, but with no recognizable form.

Then the whole was rolled into a cylinder. When cut into slices, the filling had arranged itself into the exact shape of a red flying crane in each slice, the symbol of that particular festival (Boy's Day??). I was stunned. To this day, the virtuosity of that master brings tears to my eyes. Call me a simpleton.

I do hope such treasured experts do not die out, totally replaced by somewhat absurd taffy machines that seem to lack the dignity and simplicity that always has distinguished the Japanese aesthetic.

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Edited by v. gautam, 30 March 2007 - 06:53 AM.


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Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:21 PM

Okay, I just bought some chikuwa. When I was in Japan, we were served some simmered kamaboko, including chikuwa, at breakfast, and it was delicious. I was hoping to make this at home but I have no idea what it was. Can anyone help?

#74 Hiroyuki

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 04:01 PM

I'm not sure if the kamaboko thread now has been stretched close to the limit. But I have heard there is a new book about surim-kamaboko history written by Tsuji Masaji in Suisan Times(in Japanese of course). Does anyone know this or where it is possible to get it?

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I think I missed this question of yours.
Why not send an inquiry to Suisan Times?
http://www.suisantim.../headline.shtml
There is an inquiry email address at the bottom.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 04:04 PM

Okay, I just bought some chikuwa. When I was in Japan, we were served some simmered kamaboko, including chikuwa, at breakfast, and it was delicious. I was hoping to make this at home but I have no idea what it was. Can anyone help?

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What was the kamaboko simmered in? A simple broth, probably a dashi, soy sauce, and mirin mixture of a 15 to 20, 1, 1 ratio (same as oden broth)?

#76 Dianabanana

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 04:48 PM

Okay, I just bought some chikuwa. When I was in Japan, we were served some simmered kamaboko, including chikuwa, at breakfast, and it was delicious. I was hoping to make this at home but I have no idea what it was. Can anyone help?

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What was the kamaboko simmered in? A simple broth, probably a dashi, soy sauce, and mirin mixture of a 15 to 20, 1, 1 ratio (same as oden broth)?

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I realized my question is awfully vague--sorry! Yes, it was just a simple broth, and maybe it was just oden broth. That actually occurred to me after I posted my question. Thanks, Hiroyuki--I will try that.

#77 Dianabanana

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:43 PM

Hiroyuki, I tried it and it was exactly as I remembered! Thank you. Next time I will try a full blown oden!

#78 v. gautam

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 06:04 PM

Diana,

When you do try a full blown oden, i would like to add this suggestion [subject to emendation by the experts on this thread]. To the chikuwa, at least please also consider adding slices from "tempura", flat, golden, fried cakes in the cooler section of the oriental grocery. They go by that name and come in several very similar types with slightly varying compositions. They should not be more than $4/lb, much cheaper than the frozen assorted fish balls also being sold as oden accessories.

So the chikuwa, tempura, potato, radish/daikon, konnyaku, maybe boiled egg, will give you a basic oden. Tempura is to be cut into slices. That combination is pretty frugal at USA prices and very good. Most of my Japanese friends love their daikon cooked very soft. I like it when it still has a bit of a crunch in it.

You can also play around with the potaoes. Idaho Russets with the skin on will give a different texture as tiny bits of their edges disintegrate off into the broth, and the skin adds its earth flavor which some relish. Then the potato cuts, wedges, quartes, etc. will themselves make a difference to mouthfeel and your enjoyment of the accompanying tidbits.

Yukon Gold with its skin on will add yet another different taste to the finished oden. Boiling potaoes yet others. So you see how small changes with the basic materials can change the final product. Something small like Korean radish [widely available, and often substituted for daikon] for daikon will slightly but measurably influence the texture and final result.

These are just an amateur's experiments with US ingredients. Shocking things like freezing konnyaku, and adding the thawed frozen slices, like koyadofu!

No doubt the experts here will have better advice for you.

gautam





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