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#121 Shalmanese

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 03:10 PM

I actually like that this season, everyone has dropped the pretense and are fully embracing that this is a game and that you should play strategically. With restaurant wars, the safest place to be has always been the best player on the worst team. It was obvious to Gregory and Katsuji that they didn't have much of a chance of winning so they pushed their two weakest members to team leader and FOH and then quietly sat back and executed solid, blameless food.
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#122 huiray

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 05:03 PM

I actually like that this season, everyone has dropped the pretense and are fully embracing that this is a game and that you should play strategically. With restaurant wars, the safest place to be has always been the best player on the worst team. It was obvious to Gregory and Katsuji that they didn't have much of a chance of winning so they pushed their two weakest members to team leader and FOH and then quietly sat back and executed solid, blameless food.

 

Yet Gregory still *had* to pipe up (without being asked by the Judges) at JT two episodes ago saying how HE would have never allowed Aaron's dish to be made if Aaron had been on his team, blah blah.  Of course TC is a game show.  If everyone has dropped the pretense, then Gregory's piping up would count as sheer grandstanding and hypocrisy on his part.  Adam, on the other hand, in that episode told the truth - consistent with the notion of the whole thing being a game. 

 

Aaron pegged Katsuji correctly from the beginning.



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 12:24 PM

I am very pleased that George Pagonis is back in the contest proper.  I am still of the opinion that he got shafted in episode 1.

 

Sorry, Katie, but your time was up, and George showed he can cook - both in the cook-off and in the EC.

 

Katsuji continues to be a jerk. 

 

How many times is Gregory going to cook a curry with coconut milk?

 

Doug with another well-deserved win.  Using the same "basket" as Adam, who had difficulty "getting beyond" the slight skew of Richard Blais' market basket, but which Doug was also subjected to and worked with successfully.

 

I thought Melissa was as worthy of getting the chop (yet another salad?) as Adam or Mei (RARE lamb...really RARE lamb...).  The diners liked Adam's dish - but, again, the show demonstrates that what other people other than the judges think is of no importance AT ALL.**

 

Well, LCK shows that Adam *and* Katie still have a chance.  Good for them.  Props to Rebecca for a good showing in LCK.

 

** a.k.a. "Who Wants To Cook For Tom Colicchio & Friends"

 

ETA: Oh, Padma, that was a cheap, cheap obnoxious juvenile high-school prank that you pulled.   And Tom, that was a power-play typical of bullies that you pulled.  Richard Blais was gracious in how he handled both insults.


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#124 gfweb

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 02:02 PM

Completely agree. Blaise showed good humor in the face of a-hole behavior.

 

But most likely it was all pre-arranged by the Elves.

 

I thought that Adam was the least cuttable of the three given the mistakes the other two made.


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 03:49 PM

I really liked Adam, but his whining about the 2-3 "molecular" ingredients was weak.  I thought Blais picked pretty easy ingredients to work with -- shrimp, mussels, peppers, bacon, chorizo, fish -- that's almost a paella right there.  I'm rooting for him to do well in LCK.

 

I would've preferred for Melissa to be cut, at least Adam tried something outside the box although I have no idea what a flash marinated shrimp is supposed to be.  Melissa's aim low strategy isn't going to cut it much longer at this stage of the competition. 

 

Gregory and Dougie seem like the clear front runners at this point, and I wouldn't mind seeing those two and Mei in a final. 



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Posted 13 December 2014 - 05:48 AM

Padma's prank upset me.  Fish on the floor?  Really?  What a lack of respect for food. 

 

Overall this was one of better episodes since they could cook with nice ingredients and be creative. 



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Posted 13 December 2014 - 07:16 AM

Padma's prank upset me.  Fish on the floor?  Really?  What a lack of respect for food. 

 

Overall this was one of better episodes since they could cook with nice ingredients and be creative. 

I completely agree.  I don't know whose idea that was but it was really stupid and didn't add anything to the show.



#128 Shelby

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Posted 13 December 2014 - 04:15 PM

Good episode.  I really enjoyed seeing how to cut and eat a jack fruit.  Maybe I can find one and try it myself someday.

 

Gail seems to realllllllly like Doug.  And I do, too.  

 

On a completely shallow note, I HATED the overalls Padma wore.  Ick.



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Posted 13 December 2014 - 06:04 PM

I really enjoyed seeing how to cut and eat a jack fruit.  Maybe I can find one and try it myself someday.

 

 

Try not to get too much of residual "latex" from the skin/stems (if a fairly fresh fruit) on your skin or clothes.  Some blackening and sticking may occur.  :-) 

 

I used to help my mother in cutting open these fruits (called "nangka" in Malay) after harvesting them from the tree in the side yard of my family home.  Less frequently, we also had fruits from the chempedak tree right besides it.  You should check out that one too, if you ever find it.  Chempedak is more fibrous, but more fragrant (when properly ripe) while nangka is less fibrous and more "bouncy" in texture with a less complex aroma.  The "tongues" encapsulating the nangka fruitlets (so to speak) within the fruit) are often also edible, especially in larger and riper ones, the sign that they are is that these "tongues" are also orange-ish in color.  Other than eating them as-is, one could also (after deseeding them - a single, large, seed within each "fruitlet") dip them in a batter and deep-fry them - similarly to pisang goreng.

 

BTW the nangka shown in this episode looked just a tad over-ripe to me...where the fruitlets seemed to be beginning to be slimy; but the images from Gregory's "dissection" of the fruit may be misleading.  (Over-ripe nangka? Here?)


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Posted 13 December 2014 - 06:09 PM

I wonder if anyone (else) noticed that Michael Patlazhan was missing from the cast of "previously eliminated cheftestants" in  both the Quick Fire "Sudden Death" panel as well as the Last Chance Kitchen contests proper.  I wonder what happened.**

 

**He did diss Tom Colicchio fairly strongly and basically told him to get lost when he was dismissed at the end of the EC in episode 1 - I wonder if that had an, um, impact on being tossed out of LCK, or if he removed himself and was permitted to do so.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:42 AM

I know that in early seasons of the show, before LCK, not every eliminated chef would return to help out during the finals or some other event. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, could just be personal issues or a job opportunity, etc.

 

That said, someplace on the Bravo website IIRC he admitted that the competition was far tougher than he imagined and he was in over his head.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 07:46 AM

I know that in early seasons of the show, before LCK, not every eliminated chef would return to help out during the finals or some other event. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, could just be personal issues or a job opportunity, etc.

 

That said, someplace on the Bravo website IIRC he admitted that the competition was far tougher than he imagined and he was in over his head.

 

The returning eliminated cheftestants for selection as sous-chefs in previous seasons were indeed for the finals (or the final rounds), which typically took place months after the initial rounds, with all the cheftestants having returned home in the interim - so it certainly is to be expected that some did not make it back for one reason or another.  The current season is still showing episodes being filmed consecutively, I believe - none of them have "gone home" yet, all were still being sequestered (I would imagine) including for the episode just shown with that selection of George as the challenger for Katie in the "sudden death" QF cook-off.  Amongst other things, no-one's physical appearance has changed in the episodes proper as aired - so far as I can tell. (The "Talking Heads" are a different matter)  If the preceding is correct, then Michael P. would have remained behind in the "sequestration apartment/wherever" while the others participated?

 

Yes, Michael P. did talk about being in over his head and being given to panic attacks in the separate "exit interview" video posted on the website after the episode itself had been aired on TV.  Perhaps that *did* also figure in as to why he is missing from that panel or why he declined to participate.  Who knows, except the parties involved, true.  (In that context maybe the producers also had flashbacks of the Seth Caro on-air meltdown over his melted sorbet followed by his freakout over paper cups (and removal from the show) in TC Just Desserts? Just speculating.)



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 08:23 AM

That is "affectionate"? Wow.
 
The "poking, poking poking" characterization of Katsuji also came from Doug, when he commented about Katsuji purposely needling people (not just Aaron) to provoke them.


It seems like this latest episode largely confirms my interpretation of the Doug/Katsuji relationship as a lovable one.
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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:11 AM

 

I'm surprised at the animus towards Katsuji.  He just talks and jokes a lot -- sometimes it's funny sometimes not.  I think it's telling that the only contestants that are really bothered by him are the bottom feeders like Aaron and Keriann. 

 

 

I haven't really noticed all that much "animus towards Katsuji," with the exception of one poster here.  And Aaron, of course, who doesn't really count since he was a name-calling jerk towards pretty-much everybody and, we later learn, is out on bail.

 

To the contrary, it seems to me that the other cheftestants like Katsuji, regarding him as something of a pesky, funny little brother.  I've really enjoyed him and am extremely sorry to see him go.  I never failed to find him and his cooking choices interesting, and always looked forward to seeing what he was going to do next.  I'll admit I never thought he had a real chance to win - dishes and skills not sophisticated enough - but got a kick out of his journey, and I'll be rooting him on in LCK.

 

It was obvious, sadly to me, from the opening credits of the episode that his knives were in imminent danger of being packed up and toted on out of there.  Has anyone else noticed that, if the show broadcasts your little personal vignette, that's the kiss of death?  They obviously film these glimpses of each contestant's personal life before the season starts, but can't possibly show them all at one time.  So, they tend to wait until you're on your way home before they feature yours.  That way, everybody gets theirs broadcast.

 

So when, within the first five minutes, we see Katsuji and his daughter, I said to myself, Katsuji, sayonara and adios. It's been fun.


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#135 huiray

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:14 AM

It seems like this latest episode largely confirms my interpretation of the Doug/Katsuji relationship as a lovable one.

 

If that is a lovable relationship in your books then we have different conceptions of what is a healthy vs a sick "lovable relationship". Sorry, constantly "poking, poking" and verbal diarrhea and constant teasing/verbal take-downs is NOT a desirable relationship to me but an abusive one.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:05 AM

If that is a lovable relationship in your books then we have different conceptions of what is a healthy vs a sick "lovable relationship". Sorry, constantly "poking, poking" and verbal diarrhea and constant teasing/verbal take-downs is NOT a desirable relationship to me but an abusive one.


Look, we get that you have a personal animus with Katsuji but it's clearly one not shared by Doug. I literally don't know how it could be made more clear than "He is probably my favorite person in the house" and "Me and Katsuji will probably be friends for the rest of our lives".
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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:11 AM

Uh, reading other forums and one's ideas of a relationship do not depend on each other.

 

One should remember that the eG discussion on TC (and other shows) here involves different opinions.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:15 AM

Look, we get that you have a personal animus with Katsuji but it's clearly one not shared by Doug. I literally don't know how it could be made more clear than "He is probably my favorite person in the house" and "Me and Katsuji will probably be friends for the rest of our lives".

 

Look, I did not deny that Doug has this "relationship" with Katsuji.  Rather, I expressed my opinion of it.  Note also that I am not requiring nor suggesting that Doug actually change his relationship with Katsuji, nor that my thoughts about it should be acted upon by the parties concerned.


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#139 gfweb

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:27 AM

I found Katsuji to be an entertaining guy but probably a pain in the ass in real life.

 

I can identify with that.

 

He'll be on Food Network before you know it.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:42 AM

I found Katsuji to be an entertaining guy but probably a pain in the ass in real life.

I can identify with that.

He'll be on Food Network before you know it.


He already has been on Chopped
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#141 lindag

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Posted Yesterday, 07:11 AM

Katsuji is basically an ill-mannered yutz.