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[BadRabbit]

Also, pizza and pie are two very different things, they are not interchangeable.

This is one matter in which I'll join Public Enemy and fight the power. A pie involves a pastry lid and braised meat (or, if you're so inclined, stewed fruit). A pizza is ... pizza. One of these things is not like the other. I do not understand people--and there are many here--who deem a baked disk of bread topped with cheese, tomato, et al to be pie.

I can easily name 30 (possibly 100) pies that have no pastry lid that noone would argue aren't pies.


Chess pie
Chocolate pie
Banana Cream
Key Lime

...need I go on.


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Edited by BadRabbit, 20 February 2012 - 09:28 AM.

[Charcuterer]

Chess pie is basicly a sugar pie it is kind of weird in that it has vinegar and cornmeal in the filling. It is a staple in southern diners. If I can find my recipe I'll post it. I use a little dark rum to accent the sugar.

I was on the island Bonaire (Netherlands Antilles) a couple years ago and on the menu there was a dish that had Gouda cheese in it. When the waiter was describing the dish he said HOW-duh. I asked him what HOW-duh was and he said, "Well you're American so you would say goo-DA." He was right.

[kayb]

I'd chalk that up to assimilationism from two or three generations ago, when they started calling tomato sauce "red gravy" or "Sunday gravy," because that's what working-class Americans called any kind of sauce at the time. I remember the first time I heard an old Italian guy from Brooklyn talking about the family dinners they made when he was growing up with "gravy" on everything, and I thought it really strange that they were having brown sauce on their pasta, fried fish, etc.

There was a sizeable Italian community in the small Arkansas Delta town where I spent 30 years. Tomato sauce, with meat, was "spaghetti gravy."

[Hassouni]

Chess pie is basicly a sugar pie it is kind of weird in that it has vinegar and cornmeal in the filling. It is a staple in southern diners. If I can find my recipe I'll post it. I use a little dark rum to accent the sugar.

I was on the island Bonaire (Netherlands Antilles) a couple years ago and on the menu there was a dish that had Gouda cheese in it. When the waiter was describing the dish he said HOW-duh. I asked him what HOW-duh was and he said, "Well you're American so you would say goo-DA." He was right.

I dunno how they speak Dutch there, but in Holland it's definitely a guttural KKKHHHow-da sound

[Charcuterer]

Chess pie is basicly a sugar pie it is kind of weird in that it has vinegar and cornmeal in the filling. It is a staple in southern diners. If I can find my recipe I'll post it. I use a little dark rum to accent the sugar.

I was on the island Bonaire (Netherlands Antilles) a couple years ago and on the menu there was a dish that had Gouda cheese in it. When the waiter was describing the dish he said HOW-duh. I asked him what HOW-duh was and he said, "Well you're American so you would say goo-DA." He was right.

I dunno how they speak Dutch there, but in Holland it's definitely a guttural KKKHHHow-da sound

You did it right, I didn't know how to represent the back of the throat sound on the leading H.

[ElsieD]

The G in Gouda is actually more of a hard G, coming from the back of the throat. The ou part is pronounced like the ow in how.

[Hassouni]

Well in proper Dutch, the city is Gouda and the cheese is Goudse, but I don't think that'll get anything but blank stares outside Holland....

[ChrisTaylor]

A sweet pie with no lid is a dirty, dirty tart.

[ElsieD]

Well, I'm Dutch by birth and all my life my parents bought and ate Gouda. I have NEVER heard the cheese referred to as Goudse. I also shop at a Dutch store from time and they call the cheese Gouda as well.

[Hassouni]

Hm, then Wikipedia has been lying I'll take your word for it.

[ruthcooks]

If tomato sauce is "gravy", then what do you call gravy?

I've always wondered about the term "creamed potatoes" in the South, referring to mashed potatoes. Creamed potatoes are boiled potatoes immersed in cream sauce, what do they call them?

Aargh!

[BadRabbit]

If tomato sauce is "gravy", then what do you call gravy?

I've always wondered about the term "creamed potatoes" in the South, referring to mashed potatoes. Creamed potatoes are boiled potatoes immersed in cream sauce, what do they call them?

Aargh!

I'm from the south and have never heard them called creamed. We treat our potatos like we treat buttons in an elevator; we "mash" them.

[BadRabbit]

Speaking of southern pronunciations, most people in the south refer to canned sausages as "VIE-ee-na sausages" though I have never heard anybody mispronounce the name of the city. I'm guessing most people just don't put two and two together on the subject.

Edited by BadRabbit, 22 February 2012 - 11:21 AM.

[Charcuterer]

My friends in East Tennessee use the pronunciation VIE-in-ee for the horrible little canned sausages. I can't say that I have ever heard them pronounce the name of the city. But they tend to pronounce the word Italy as IT-Lee.

[Mjx]

Recently (blog post somewhere? can't remember, but I'm racking my brains), I came across 'pasta y fagioli' multiple times in the same place, so, not a typo, and it made me crazy. Should be 'pasta e fagioli' (or I guess you could also have 'pasta y frijoles').

I've also come across 'porchinis', which is even worse than 'porcinis', since not only is it doubly pluralized, but in Italian, it would be pronounced 'por-KEE-neez'. <shudder>

[gfweb]

My friends in East Tennessee use the pronunciation VIE-in-ee for the horrible little canned sausages. I can't say that I have ever heard them pronounce the name of the city. But they tend to pronounce the word Italy as IT-Lee.

Sounds like Granny on the Beverly Hillbillies.

[annabelle]

Nah, they sound like they are from the anywhere in the deep south. People here refer to Israel as "Isruhl" and Italians are Eye-talyuns.

[BrooksNYC]

A frequently mispronounced food-related word is "restaurateur." It's like nails on a blackboard when I hear it mispronounced on the TV Food Network, or by NPR hosts who ought to know better.

"RestauraNteur," they say — that is, they insert an "N" in the middle of a word that has no "N".

The correct anglicized pronunciation is ress-ter-ruh-TUR. . .Dictionary.com has a sound clip:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/restaurateur

[BadRabbit]

A frequently mispronounced food-related word is "restaurateur." It's like nails on a blackboard when I hear it mispronounced on the TV Food Network, or by NPR hosts who ought to know better.

"RestauraNteur," they say — that is, they insert an "N" in the middle of a word that has no "N".

The correct anglicized pronunciation is ress-ter-ruh-TUR. . .Dictionary.com has a sound clip:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/restaurateur

I believe that the spelling and pronunciation "restauranteur" has moved past being an error and is becoming the more commonly used spelling. Several dictionaries already list it as an alternate spelling.


Lots of foreign words that are adopted into English eventually get Anglicized.
ETA: Clarification

Edited by BadRabbit, 27 February 2012 - 07:23 AM.

[mkayahara]

Recently (blog post somewhere? can't remember, but I'm racking my brains), I came across 'pasta y fagioli' multiple times in the same place, so, not a typo, and it made me crazy. Should be 'pasta e fagioli' (or I guess you could also have 'pasta y frijoles').

Just as you will find many references to "Punt y mes" in these very forums...

[demiglace]

I asked some friends how to pronounce FAGE..spelling it out. I got three different pronunciations..can anyone help. It's the Greek Yoghurt Fage.

[Hassouni]

fa-yeh, from what I know. But I also as far as I know think "Greek yogurt" is a sham. It's just labne, strained yogurt (or the Turkish version, süzme yoğurt). No yogurt in its natural state is that thick, even though yogurt in the Eastern Med and Middle East tends to be thicker than in the US or UK.

Edited by Hassouni, 28 February 2012 - 04:55 AM.

[patrickamory]

True Greek yogurt is more likely to come from sheep or goats than cows, I'm guessing?

[demiglace]

Thanks for the pronunciation and the information. I googled Greek Yoghurt and the info is what you said..strained yoghurt.

[BrentKulman]

Bruschetta has a double T, so it's "bru-SKET-ta"

This past weekend, I was listening to The Splendid Table and I heard Lynn Rossetto Kasper pronounce it "bru-SHET-ta." I always thought this was a mis-pronunciation but she's Italian and I'm not. Is this a regional thing, perhaps?

[Mjx]

Bruschetta has a double T, so it's "bru-SKET-ta"

This past weekend, I was listening to The Splendid Table and I heard Lynn Rossetto Kasper pronounce it "bru-SHET-ta." I always thought this was a mis-pronunciation but she's Italian and I'm not. Is this a regional thing, perhaps?

Lynn Rossetto Kasper is American. However, she's spent plenty of time in Italy, so I have no idea why she would pronounce 'bruschetta' that way; 'che' is always pronounced 'keh' in Italian.

[phatj]

A frequently mispronounced food-related word is "restaurateur." It's like nails on a blackboard when I hear it mispronounced on the TV Food Network, or by NPR hosts who ought to know better.

"RestauraNteur," they say — that is, they insert an "N" in the middle of a word that has no "N".

The correct anglicized pronunciation is ress-ter-ruh-TUR. . .Dictionary.com has a sound clip:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/restaurateur

I believe that the spelling and pronunciation "restauranteur" has moved past being an error and is becoming the more commonly used spelling. Several dictionaries already list it as an alternate spelling.


Lots of foreign words that are adopted into English eventually get Anglicized.
ETA: Clarification

Huh. I had no idea that "restaurateur" is correct. Presumably I've seen it written that way any number of times but my brain added the "n" back in automatically.

[tikidoc]

Another singular/plural that drives me nuts. "Tamales" is plural for "tamal" not "tamale". I know, another Americanized thing but it still irritates me.

[Panaderia Canadiense]

And yet other singular/plurals that bug me:

Momo, shrimp, squid, moose, and sheep are all their own plurals. No such thing as Momos, shrimps, squids, mooses or meese, or sheeps. And yet I see it all the time. Meh.

[BadRabbit]

And yet other singular/plurals that bug me:

Momo, shrimp, squid, moose, and sheep are all their own plurals. No such thing as Momos, shrimps, squids, mooses or meese, or sheeps. And yet I see it all the time. Meh.

RE: shrimp and squid

I had always thought the same thing but then every dictionary I've looked in lists both shrimp and shrimps and both squid and squids as proper plural forms. I haven't checked the OED but I'm betting it's the same there.


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Edited by BadRabbit, 06 March 2012 - 09:57 AM.