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Cracking the Cream with Homogenized Coconut Milk in Cans


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#31 jmolinari

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 07:53 AM

i've never been able to get Chaokoh to crack either. Even using just the thick stuff that separates out. I just get white napalm all over the kitchen. I've resorted to frying teh curry paste in veg. oil, then adding the whole can of milk....

#32 natasha1270

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 10:03 AM

Just another thought: I'm wondering if microwaving the canned coconut cream would speed up the 'cracking' process?
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#33 Chris Amirault

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 03:31 PM

That's Andie's technique, mentioned up-topic. Haven't tried it...
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#34 patrickamory

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 08:43 PM

A further note - I've never had much luck cracking Chaokoh coconut milk, even though it's everyone's recommended brand (Kasma, Su-mei Yu). However I noticed the other day in the store that Aroy D coconut milk lists ingredients as only "coconut extract, water." I.e. no stabilizers.

So I bought a can to give it a try.

The cream wasn't super-clearly separated from the milk, but that could have been because it had been in my shopping bag while I was walking around - or who knows how long it had to sit on the shelf and rest at the store.

I was able to crack the cream however by frying it at moderately high heat. It took 8-10 minutes, but it definitely separated. I've worked at separating Chaokoh for 20-25 minutes before giving up in frustration!

So maybe it's the stabilizer issue. Give Aroy D a try - and it would be great to hear if others have success.

#35 MikeHartnett

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 05:39 AM

I don't think you can ever properly "crack" canned coconut cream. I've tried.

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#36 patrickamory

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 04:41 PM

It's actually fun! Just be sure you have plenty of coconuts (some may turn out not to be fresh), plenty of space, and plenty of time. Oh, and a Cuisinart.

#37 Yajna Patni

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:12 PM

If you live somewhere where coconuts grow it is really not that hard to make. I lived for a number of years, a long time ago on small farm on the edge of the Carribean, and while running water and electric were scarce, coconuts were not. I made it almost on a daily basis for cooking drinking etc, and used the oil in my hair. (I still do). Moving then to the North East US, I found the coconuts that I could get were too old, dry and nasty to work. I tried canned milk and thought it tasted weird, and had a nasty texture, really smooth and slimy. However in Chinatown, I found and continue to find frozen coconut milk, mostly from Thailand, that to my taste tastes and behaves much more like the real thing than the can.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 02:13 PM

However in Chinatown, I found and continue to find frozen coconut milk, mostly from Thailand, that to my taste tastes and behaves much more like the real thing than the can.


Ah interesting. I will give this a try.

#39 Simon Lewinson

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:59 PM

Hi all, I have been to Thailand and all of the cooking schools that I attended used the same method for the curries:

Add a few frops of oil to the wok and start to very gently fry the curry paste. When it starts ti get "going", add one tablespoon of coconut cream and gradually turn up the heat till the oil separates. Do this another 3 or 4 times, then add the remining coconut cream and continue with the recipe.

My experience is that I can get the separation reliably within a minute with any number of canned coconut creams or milks.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:28 PM

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#41 Kent Wang

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:42 AM

I've tried putting the can in the fridge. That helps to solidify the fat and then it's easier to separate that out.

#42 Mjx

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:46 AM

Doesn't seem like refrigerating would make any difference, if the the coconut milk is homogenized.

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#43 loki

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 02:44 PM

The two parts in a can are NOT coconut cream and milk! It separates differently than that. The top part is more fatty and bottom part is really the watery part, but is NOT coconut milk. Coconut milk and cream are just different concentrations of the same thing - the cream having more of the coconut solids and fats per unit measure and less water - that comes from the first pressing of the coconut milk making process. The two components in the cans are something completely different and are simply a result of them sitting around on the shelves. Having said that, the solid part of the canned version can be used as a substitution for coconut cream.

I think the whole thing with the David Thompson book is rather silly and way over imagined. Most thai people use canned versions here, as the coconuts available are expensive and usually stale or even rotten. They fry the curry pastes in a little vegetable oil first, then add the canned coconut milk later. They taste wonderful!

Look for canned coconut milk that doe not contain anything but coconuts and water.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:20 PM

Andie - just to be clear: you're able to separate canned coconut milk by heating it in the microwave, and then you're able to crack the cream? Which brand of coconut milk do you use?

I've tried to crack Chaokoh, Mae Ploy and Aroy D coconut milk and never had any success. Yes, the thicker cream is always there, at the top of the can. I boil the hell out of it, and it splatters and scorches, but doesn't separate. Curries made this way don't look or taste right. There is no layer of liquid fat on top, and the taste isn't right, probably because the paste is boiled and not fried.

Homemade coconut milk cracks wonderfully though, and curries made from it taste fantastic.

#45 seabream

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:27 PM

Patrick - when you got the Aroy D coconut milk to separate, did you buy it in a can or in a tetra brick pack?

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 10:04 AM

seabream - I got it in a can. But I have to say I've had less success with subsequent cans of Aroy-D.

I now buy frozen blocks of grated coconut. Not as good as fresh, but better than canned. You don't get that powdery texture with the frozen stuff.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:31 AM

Patrick - Good to know. Thanks. I will see if I can find blocks of frozen grated coconut at my local Asian store. I also want to try Aroy D coconut milk in cans - I wonder if it's different from the one in tetra brick.

I've only used Aroy D in tetra brick packs. Packaged this way, there is pretty much no separation between the milk and the cream, like I have seen in Chaokoh and Mae Ploy cans. The milk is a lot thinner than the one in cans, and in my opinion it tastes great. When I don't make homemade coconut milk, I fry the curry paste in oil, and then use Aroy D coconut milk to complete the curry. I like the results of this method better than using Chaokoh or Mae Ploy canned coconut milk, which, because I cannot crack, lead to an overly thick curry.

Kasma recommends using Chaokoh or Mae Ploy cans. In her curry recipes, she says to crack the thicker part on top of the cans. Leela also says that she fries the curry paste in the cracked cream, and she uses Chaokoh canned coconut milk. The green curry photo in the link shows that she has indeed been able to crack the cream. So if they are doing it, it can be done. I'm just not sure what the trick is...

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:30 PM

I attempted to make green curry last week and I totally forgot about this thread. Ended up burning half the "cream" in attempt to crack it and just ended up using another can and frying the paste in vegetable oil. Used Chaokoh brand. Was pretty good in the end but I do want to learn how to crack the cream without burning it

 

I bought some grated frozen coconut and some of the shredded "young" coconut and I'm going to try making milk from those and seeing how it cracks


Edited by takadi, 11 December 2013 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:41 PM

I attempted to make green curry last week and I totally forgot about this thread. Ended up burning half the "cream" in attempt to crack it and just ended up using another can and frying the paste in vegetable oil. Used Chaokoh brand. Was pretty good in the end but I do want to learn how to crack the cream without burning it

 

I bought some grated frozen coconut and some of the shredded "young" coconut and I'm going to try making milk from those and seeing how it cracks

 

i would not use the shredded young coconut in this application, it does not have the oil content/etc of a mature coconut .

 

As in earlier posts the reason you cannot crack canned coconut milk is because it contains stabilisers/emulsifier, etc or had been homogenised.  All the canned coconut milk i can find nowadays invariably contain those additives, including the chaokoh brand. Some years back, i could buy canned coconut milk without those pesky additives or maybe they just did not include them in their labels. 

 

once you get the cream part from processing the frozen coconut, fry the cream over medium heat , and if it starts to burn then turn down the heat and/or add more cream until it cracks (see pic by patrick.. in first page of this thread,). . Once it cracks then add your curry paste, stir it until it cracks again, the oil would then have taken on the color of your curry paste, then continue with your recipe.

 

An alternative to cracking coconut cream is to fry the curry paste in coconut oil,  which will enhance the coconutty flavor (other oils will not and may even impart undesirable flavors of their own). 


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#50 takadi

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:49 AM

I only see citric acid and some preservatives in chaokoh, no emulsifiers like guar gum. Do the former ingredients prevent the cream from cracking?



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Posted 08 June 2014 - 11:21 AM

I've gotten Mae Ploy to crack, FWIW.



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Posted 08 June 2014 - 12:07 PM

The title says it all: how do you crack the cream -- that is, get the solids and oil to separate -- using the homogenized coconut milk in cans? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes I'm splattered with white napalm before it cracks and I give up. Your techniques?

 

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