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[thirtyoneknots]

I'm hardly an authority, but the bourbon in that decanter is almost certainly significantly different than what Beam is bottling with a white label today. I'd guess 6-8 yrs, there was something of an aged whiskey glut starting around that time in the US.

[tanstaafl2]

I'm hardly an authority, but the bourbon in that decanter is almost certainly significantly different than what Beam is bottling with a white label today. I'd guess 6-8 yrs, there was something of an aged whiskey glut starting around that time in the US.

The label notes it is "100 months old" so 8 years, 4 months. Just not sure what the next 40 odd years in bottle in the tropics did for the bourbon inside! Probably not anything particularly good.

I also wonder if the fact that it still has something left in it and the tax stamp intact adds anything to the value that would outweigh opening it and giving it a taste.

Probably minimal I would guess. The appeal to me was mostly in the decanter and that seems to only be worth around $50 or so from what I can find.

[tanstaafl2]

In addition to the odds and ends I brought from Hawaii I stopped by the store yesterday to check out the Willet Single Barrel 4yo Rye blend of LDI rye. Reviews have been pretty good and at $35 it seemed like it was worth giving a try.

While there I decided to experiment with a bottle of Atholl Brose and decided to throw in a bottle of Mt. Gay Extra Old just for variety's sake. Tower here in Atlanta is also having an Irishman Irish Whiskey tasting on April 18th so I think I might pop in and give it a try. Met the local rep who is a pleasant young fellow from the old country. They are bringing out a cask strength (is it just me or is that the latest fad?) of their pot still blend that sounds interesting. Not currently available at the store but will be at the tasting.

I also noticed that have an Irish Cream that is no doubt aimed at the "beeg boy", Bailey's. At $14 for a fifth with a $10 rebate I decided I would be more than willing to give it a little trial of my own!



It appears my complaint about Carpano has helped save it for a bit longer. It was back on the shelf at Tower for the moment. Unfortunately it was also back up to its regular $35 price as well.

[prasantrin]

Not exciting, but I bought three bottles of Plymouth gin. It's still priced at $26.05 in Manitoba, so I thought I should take advantage of the lower price (same sized Plymouth jumped to $45 in Ontario).

[Tri2Cook]

Not exciting, but I bought three bottles of Plymouth gin. It's still priced at $26.05 in Manitoba, so I thought I should take advantage of the lower price (same sized Plymouth jumped to $45 in Ontario).

Yes it did... and I'm seriously considering not replacing my almost empty bottle because of that huge price jump.

[prasantrin]

former poster flyfish said Plymouth was being repositioned (by the owners) as a premium gin, hence the price hike. I asked an MLCC employee about a potential price hike, and he said MLCC had just done their seasonal price hike, so it would not likely be going up soon here. He had no idea about the LCBO hike or about the attempted repositioning.

It will likely be going up everywhere in NA within the year, so get thee to Winnipeg if you're close!

eta link to article confirming price link

short blurb from said article

Chivas Brothers, Pernod's Scotch whisky and premium gin unit, announced earlier today (18 January) that it will up the price of the brand starting this month, to “reflect the brand’s super-premium positioning within the gin category”.

Article also says the retail recommended price will increase up to 40% everywhere (except Spain where it first tested out the price increase).

Edited by prasantrin, 14 April 2012 - 03:59 PM.

[J_Ozzy]

Not exciting, but I bought three bottles of Plymouth gin. It's still priced at $26.05 in Manitoba, so I thought I should take advantage of the lower price (same sized Plymouth jumped to $45 in Ontario).

Yes it did... and I'm seriously considering not replacing my almost empty bottle because of that huge price jump.

Sheesh, it used to bother me that I could get it for $2 cheaper at the SAQ, but this just boggles the mind.
I might feel ok with paying $30-$35 if they brought in the navy strength, but I can't justify the original gin for G&Ts at $45.
Looks like it's time to stock up. I've still got one old-style bottle left.

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[mkayahara]

Not exciting, but I bought three bottles of Plymouth gin. It's still priced at $26.05 in Manitoba, so I thought I should take advantage of the lower price (same sized Plymouth jumped to $45 in Ontario).

Yes it did... and I'm seriously considering not replacing my almost empty bottle because of that huge price jump.

"Seriously considering"? There's no way I'm ever buying a bottle of Plymouth at that price. That's indefensible.

[Tri2Cook]

"Seriously considering"? There's no way I'm ever buying a bottle of Plymouth at that price. That's indefensible.

Yeah, that's probably a more accurate representation of where I'm at with it. I may be able to snag a bottle at the lower price if it doesn't jump in Manitoba too soon but otherwise I'll live without it.

[Boilerfood]

*sigh* I wish they would have just kept these shenanigans to the Vodka industry. Oh well...

[tanstaafl2]

Happened to be passing the store today so I popped in to check on the price of Plymough gin. 750 ml is currently still a little under $30 where it has always been. They also had a liter bottle with a rather interesting and quite different appearance from the 750ml for about $35.

I was thinking of getting another bottle anyway just in case the gin robber barons struck here and I confess I found the bottle rather appealing in its own right so I ended up buying it. Has a label more reminiscent of the previous style.

Don't have a picture handy but can be seen here.

I note that picture on the link is for a 70cl bottle so that may be the new face of Plymouth. Will have to recheck my bottle to be sure it was in fact a liter size or if I paid more for it than the same size older style bottle sitting right next to it! Would serve me right for not paying closer attention...

Edited by tanstaafl2, 16 April 2012 - 02:54 PM.

[tanstaafl2]

Seems my memory was correct and it was a 1 liter bottle.




Would appear to be the new face of Plymouth gin. I guess the new bottle accounts for the $15 increase in price!

It is a nice bottle though...

[tanstaafl2]

Armenian brandy that has to be at least 20 years old as it was from the USSR days. I don't think the brandy has been opened but can it possibly still be any good after all these years? There seems to have been some evaporation from the bottle.



A bottle from China (Taiwan?) of unknown type that I would welcome any help identifying.



And finally the real find for me. Deep in the back of the cabinet was this Jim Beam commemorative decanter that had never been opened. As best I can tell it is from around 1971. There is still bourbon inside although the plastic seal is breaking down and the gasket between the bottle and the stopper looks to be breaking down as well. Unfortunately it leaked a bit on the trip home. I wish I could have carried it on the plane but not possible these days of course. But the smell of the bourbon that leaked out was surprisingly enticing.


Trying to decide if I should pop this thing open and see what I find inside. Don't think it has any tremendous value but I would welcome any insight others might have. Just as Hawaiiana kitsch I found it quite appealing.

Still curious if anyone has any info that might help better identify these bottles, especially the one that appears to be from China or Taiwan.

And any thoughts on whether the bourbon in the King Kamehameha bottle is likely to be worth trying or if I should just leave the seal intact and unopened. I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try.

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[Tri2Cook]

And any thoughts on whether the bourbon in the King Kamehameha bottle is likely to be worth trying or if I should just leave the seal intact and unopened. I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try.

I'm not a collector of much of anything so I'd definitely be leaning towards giving it a try. If you're concerned about whether you'd be destroying the value of something valuable by opening it, do a little research. Shouldn't be too hard to find out what it's worth unless it's not worth anything. Information on valuable things people want is usually pretty easy to find. I like the bottle. If I found it for sale, what I'd be willing to pay wouldn't change much based on if it had that particular booze still in it or not... but I'm not an expert.

[tanstaafl2]

And any thoughts on whether the bourbon in the King Kamehameha bottle is likely to be worth trying or if I should just leave the seal intact and unopened. I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try.

I'm not a collector of much of anything so I'd definitely be leaning towards giving it a try. If you're concerned about whether you'd be destroying the value of something valuable by opening it, do a little research. Shouldn't be too hard to find out what it's worth unless it's not worth anything. Information on valuable things people want is usually pretty easy to find. I like the bottle. If I found it for sale, what I'd be willing to pay wouldn't change much based on if it had that particular booze still in it or not... but I'm not an expert.

Not really a collector either. At least not to keep bottles of liquor for show. This was a found bottle as it were and apparently not tremendously desirable from the limited info I have found. The decanter itself is not really in mint condition and appears to be worth at most $50-$100 empty. Can't find much info on an unopened one. But given it leaked on the trip home I suspect the bourbon inside could have been impacted.

I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try. Just thought I would run it up the flagpole here first and see if anyone might have some insight!

Also still curious about the mystery Chinese bottle and the Armenian brandy. Haven't been able to find much of anything about the Chinese bottle.

Yerevan Brandy Company, maker of Ararat (associated with the foothills of Mt. Ararat of ark fame it would seem) is apparently still around (even if the website is currently less than helpful!) and Nairi seems to be there oldest readily available expression at 20 years old. Whether this particular bottle is of any account and what year it was originally bottled is still something of a mystery. I would guess maybe it is 1991 or earlier. It seems very dark and perhaps slightly below what would be the full mark but if the seal is still intact then perhaps it might be good despite probably not having been well cared for.

But my knowledge of what constitutes good brandy is pretty limited so if I do decide to open it I might have to find someone who can help me determine if it is still in decent shape!

[thirtyoneknots]

And any thoughts on whether the bourbon in the King Kamehameha bottle is likely to be worth trying or if I should just leave the seal intact and unopened. I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try.

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Depends wholly on why you are collecting these things. Personally, I'd probably give it a taste but I only collect things for my own learning, not for any other value they might have, and I have no plans to ever liquidate any part of my collection.

[KD1191]

The decanter itself is not really in mint condition and appears to be worth at most $50-$100 empty. Can't find much info on an unopened one. But given it leaked on the trip home I suspect the bourbon inside could have been impacted.

I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try. Just thought I would run it up the flagpole here first and see if anyone might have some insight!

I'd be pretty cautious with this. The glazing used on those types of pieces has the potential to contain some pretty nasty stuff, and what is whiskey but a solvent?

[Hassouni]

Restocking and new stuff run to the Montgomery County liquor monopoly (cheapest prices in the DC area, oddly, and a damn good selection)

2 bottles of Appleton Extra (restocking), on sale for $25
FdC 4 year white (restocking)
Bulleit rye (restocking)
Ron Barcelo imperial - brand new to me
Landy VS (I needed a cheap Cognac for mixing - did I do good for $16?)
Cynar (new to me, but I like what I've had in bars)


For anyone in the area, MoCo has been blowing out Mount Gay and Pusser's since last summer (former XO at $35, the latter at a fat $17), I think it's a steal.

[tanstaafl2]

The decanter itself is not really in mint condition and appears to be worth at most $50-$100 empty. Can't find much info on an unopened one. But given it leaked on the trip home I suspect the bourbon inside could have been impacted.

I am leaning towards opening it and giving it a try. Just thought I would run it up the flagpole here first and see if anyone might have some insight!

I'd be pretty cautious with this. The glazing used on those types of pieces has the potential to contain some pretty nasty stuff, and what is whiskey but a solvent?

Interesting perspective. Hadn't really given that a thought. I figured if I did open it I would decant the bourbon into a different bottle just to minimize the the wear and tear to the original bottle which is Regal China. Regal China was a company in Antioch, IL that went belly up about 20 years ago when the decanter business dried up. They made a lot of them for Jim Beam as well as other stuff over the years. Hopefully the glazes they used won't kill you!

At least not any faster than the booze itself...

[tanstaafl2]

I did learn the reason for the "100 month old" bourbon and why it came out in 1971 at least. The decanter celebrated the 100th anniversary of the royal Proclamation establishing King Kamahamahe I Day on June 11th, 1871 by his great grandson, King Kamehameha V.

A quite festive day across the islands if you happen to be there and especially in Honolulu where they have parades, art festivals, a hula competition and the now traditional decoration of the statue of Kamehameha I with leis in downtown Honolulu each year. And apparently the only state holiday the celebrates a former reigning king!

If you don't count the birthday of Elvis...

[suzilightning]

Picked up :

1 bottle Canadian Club
1 bottle sweet vermouth - Martini
1 bottle Angustora bitters
1 jar marischino cherries

Husband is taking up to Poughkeepsie along with the formula for a classic Manhattan. He will make it up then sneak it into his mom in the nursing home.

[Zachary]

Not today, but Saturday at a hole in the wall liquor store that shall remain nameless:

1x 50 ml Pierre Ferrand Ambre - $3.99
2x 50 ml Pierre Ferrand Abel - $3.99 (one traded away for a 50 ml of Suntory Hakushu 12 yr)
1x 200 ml Bowmore 21 - $12.99
1x 375 F. Meyer Quetsch eau de vie $7.99
1x 375 Aqua Perfecta Poire $9.99
Zwack Unicum
1999 Dunn Howell Mountain CS $80

Thanks,

Zachary

[mkayahara]

Not technically "today", but I just got back from a little trip to NYC, where I picked up a bottle of Rothman & Winter Apricot liqueur, Blume Marillen apricot eau-de-vie, and Smith & Cross rum. Looking forward to some playtime with my shaker in the near future!

[thirtyoneknots]

No-name store in a no-name town off a no-name interstate. "Schnaaple" by W.Wilhelms [sic]. 48 proof, $7, Product of Germany. I unthinkingly opened it and sniffed--smells sort of like sweetened Calvados--but haven't tasted yet. Unsure of the age but it has no UPC anywhere, and was on a shelf along with a few unfortunate looking liqueurs with tax stamps on them. Anybody have any idea what this stuff is?

Also from the same store: El Dorado 12 and 15, in older bottles for older prices. Ramazotti on the same clearance shelf as the Schnapple for $10, and Weller 107 in the older bottle but otherwise nothing special about that. I'll be revisiting this place at some point, maybe try a little deal making.

[tanstaafl2]

The rum fairy returned from overseas this weekend and brought a companion for the Havana Club Anejo Reserva as the Anejo Blanco joins the family. They tell me that is the sum total of the Havana Club options at the Jo'burg duty free so the next time they go I will be looking for someting else to encourage them to get. Perhaps the Captain Morgan non-spiced Black that was mentioned in the "Contraband" thread.

Meanwhile back at the ranch I have been doing a bit of "taste testing" wth scotch liqueurs. Atholl Brose, Glayva and Drambuie were all sampled and I decided to also pickup a bottle of the big brother of Drambuie, the 15 year old, a the store this weekend to see if it was any different.



Right now I think the Glayva is my favorite. I have an admitted sweet tooth and the Atholl Brose is a bit drier than the other two. Glayva is 35% ABV and Drambuie is 40%. Don't know if that is the whole story but the Drambuie seems a bit more fiery for when you want that sort of thing. I will work the Drambuie 15 into the rotation this week to see how it compares.

But all that considered, I think I like my simple little bottle of Agavero tequila liqueur as well or better than any of them for a nice after dinner drink.

[ChrisTaylor]

Ron Matusalem Gran Reserva. Holyshitfuckingamazing.

[tanstaafl2]

Professor Wondrich was in town yesterday for the Atlanta Food and Wine Festival which is happening this weekend (only here for the day since he had to head back to NYC for the Manhattan Cocktail Classic). But while he was here he stopped in at the H&F Bottle Shop for a little book signing and I couldn't resist the opportunity to pop in and say hello!



He was a delightful gentlemen and patiently answered the many silly questions I peppered him with. I also got my copies of both Imbibe! and Punch signed of course.

In the background is Andy Minchow, one of the co owners and superb talents behind the bar at the Holman & Finch Pub. The sign that says "Congratulations Chef" was there in recognition of the James Beard Award just bestowed on Chef Hopkins who runs the ship at Restaurant Eugene and is also a co owner in the growing H&F Family (which includes a bread shop, pub and bottle shop and who knows what else!). So I had the chance to offer him my congratulations and thank him for the lovely evening at his restaurant a few weeks back.

To stay on topic I picked up a few items while there and and during a stop at another store nearby.



The Plantation overproof and Orgeat are for the upcoming tiki part of course. Had been curious about the High West offerings so I picked up the Bourye blend out of curiosity (which I understand has now run its course and has been replaced by Son of Bourye) and the Rendezvous which I have heard good things about.

The Irishman Cask Strength had been ordered at a tasting a couple of weeks ago and finally arrived so I added that to the growing family.

Finally the Parker's Heritage Collection cognac cask finished bourbon is a bit of an outlier. Had it at a bar a while back and liked it and then saw it on DUNY so I decided I might as well get it while I can. It just arrived today.

Another busy week!

[thirtyoneknots]

That Plantation OP is nice stuff, and an even nicer price for quality OP. Not as assertive as Lemon Hart but that's not a bad thing on its own.

[Lisa Shock]

Got a 1.75L bottle of Hendrick's gin at Costco last night. I have never seen this size bottle before. At $53.99 it is cheaper than buying the smaller bottles. I like to save their bottles to use when making my own infusions because of the corks, and because the bottle is so dark.

[Hassouni]

I have a problem...I keep buying rum!


The Barbancourt 5 star is a replacement for the one I just finished, but the rest are all new to me.

Gonna split the LH and make half of it 80 proof, too.