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"Modernist Cuisine" by Myhrvold, Young & Bilet

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#1471 Robert Jueneman

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:28 PM


Of course, the most egregious error in the entire set is the claim that when cooking eggs, only temperature, and not time, is all that matters. That wasn't a typo, but a fundamental lack of understanding and experimentation...


Umm, I took that to mean that 10 hours at 130 F would simply not set the proteins like a minute at 170 F, for example. Obviously, if you have a dozen yolks blended together they won't set as fast as a single one.

So, am I wrong? Can an egg cooked at 120 - 130 for a day give the same result as a few minutes at 150?


See the "Culinary Biophysics: On the nature of the 6XC Egg," article by César Vega & Ruben Mercadé-Prieto. Google it, as I don't have the link available right now.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:28 PM

Are there any other potential UK customers for this book, who have orders with Amazon.co.uk?

Did any of you get an email yesterday stating
"We regret to inform you that your order will take longer to fulfill than originally estimated. Our supplier has notified us that there is a delay obtaining stock for the following items you ordered on June 08 2011.

Nathan Myhrvold, Chris Young "Modernist Cuisine: The Art and Science of Cooking"

Or is it just me?

Given that they've already cancelled my order once, I wondering what you have to do to buy a copy of this book in the UK.


I got the same mail a few hours ago (my order date was June 9 after I had cancelled my original amazon.de order - the UK price at that time was a lot better than it is now. I'm starting to think I have to order in the US. Unfortunately, with a US$ 400 purchase, that is a customs nightmare.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 07:17 AM



Of course, the most egregious error in the entire set is the claim that when cooking eggs, only temperature, and not time, is all that matters. That wasn't a typo, but a fundamental lack of understanding and experimentation...


Umm, I took that to mean that 10 hours at 130 F would simply not set the proteins like a minute at 170 F, for example. Obviously, if you have a dozen yolks blended together they won't set as fast as a single one.

So, am I wrong? Can an egg cooked at 120 - 130 for a day give the same result as a few minutes at 150?


See the "Culinary Biophysics: On the nature of the 6XC Egg," article by César Vega & Ruben Mercadé-Prieto. Google it, as I don't have the link available right now.


Strictly speaking, the answer to my loosely framed question, based on the cited research, is no.

As far as I can tell from the paper (much of which I only partially understand,) the experimental findings, based on their figure 4, are that an egg yolk held at 127 F for 166 days will have the same viscosity as the same yolk at 158 F for 1 minute.

However, if I had asked "Is a yolk held for a day at 140 similar to one held at 150 for 15 minutes," the answer would be yes.

It does appear that MC might need revision of position. It is demonstrated that within the 6X C range, the viscosity of a yolk is time dependent. However, as the paper notes:

"Short cooking periods at low temperatures do not increase the viscosity (e.g., temperature <61 °C for <50 min)"

and so at temperatures below 140, one should not expect a set yolk in any time frame usually mentioned for boiled eggs.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:21 PM

Are there any other potential UK customers for this book, who have orders with Amazon.co.uk?

Did any of you get an email yesterday stating
"We regret to inform you that your order will take longer to fulfill than originally estimated. Our supplier has notified us that there is a delay obtaining stock for the following items you ordered on June 08 2011.

Nathan Myhrvold, Chris Young "Modernist Cuisine: The Art and Science of Cooking"

Or is it just me?

Given that they've already cancelled my order once, I wondering what you have to do to buy a copy of this book in the UK.


had exactly the same :sad:

is there any news on the UK availability of MC?

#1475 Keith_W

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 03:13 PM

Question for NathanM (if he is watching this thread). MC does not have a pastry section. I have read elsewhere that you are planning to write a book on pastry in the future. I was wondering whether you have started work on this book. If you have ... where can I put my deposit :)
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#1476 &roid

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:00 AM

Just had an update from Amazon, looks like we won't be getting it until October now :sad: :sad: :sad:

#1477 pep.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:10 AM

I just got a mail from Amazon UK: My copy of Modernist Cuisine is finally on its way to Austria. I should have it in my hands on Wednesday :-)

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 01:16 PM

It. Has. Arrived.

OMG - what an amazing thing this is, truly overwhelmed by the breadth and depth that it covers. absolutely stunning.


Just one small problem now... where do I start?? :)

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 05:09 PM

Just one small problem now... where do I start?? :)

Queue Julie Andrews in The Sound of Music,
Just start at the very beginning,
A very good place to start,
When you read you begin with...
Unfortunately "History and Fundamentals" don't rhyme but a very good place to start, I learnt a lot. But also use it as a reference and go for some of the recopies. It's a book with many facets enjoy them all.
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#1480 Judy Wilson

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 10:46 AM

Just wanted to drop in to let everyone know that MC is now fully in stock on Amazon UK!
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#1481 skyhskyh

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 08:29 PM

Is it available for Melbourne Australia??? I want to buy

#1482 ChrisTaylor

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 08:43 PM

Is it available for Melbourne Australia??? I want to buy


Buy it locally and you'll spend a lot of money. Can get it for half of that online--Amazon Canada is the cheapest for us at the moment.
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#1483 skyhskyh

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 09:25 PM

cool thanks

#1484 skyhskyh

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 09:33 PM

I did a search, and found I can possibly get $650aud locally, is it good deal?

#1485 ChrisTaylor

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 09:55 PM

Amazon Canada will sell it to you, shipping included, for $540 AUD.
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#1486 skyhskyh

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 02:03 AM

nice. How long did the shipping take?

just found out boarders sell for $799.95 lol

#1487 Keith_W

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 04:21 AM

Support your local bookshop - I bought mine from Books for Cooks in Fitzroy for $650.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:45 PM

A guy at work bought in the volume on Plants and Animals the other day.

Now I ordered a copy, I couldn't resist it. It looks to be mindblowing.

Amazon says it will be delivered next week.
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Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:02 AM

nice. How long did the shipping take?

just found out boarders sell for $799.95 lol


That's too much already. Go get the one from Amazon. :)

#1490 nickrey

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 05:30 AM

Support your local bookshop - I bought mine from Books for Cooks in Fitzroy for $650.

Keith,
I bought mine including postage from Amazon for $431. I'm afraid my local support doesn't move to $220 extra, or 1/3 of the purchase price. Retail in Australia has gouged us for too long and too deep.
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#1491 Fat Guy

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 11:50 AM

I am horribly late to the party here. But look what got delivered today:

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I had the online preview when that was made available to press. My press loaner copy went to Chris Amirault because I was moving and had no place for it. Now, half a year after he got mine, I finally have my own courtesy of the Cooking Lab. Thanks Cooking Lab. There goes the rest of 2011.
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#1492 Todd in Chicago

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 07:15 PM

Going to see Chris Young tomorrow in Chicago at the Museum of Contemporary Art speaking at a food lecture; was thinking about bringing VOL 1 with me and seeing if I could snag an autograph. Sounds like fun!

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 09:01 PM

Recieved my shipping notice today.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 04:54 PM

Saw Chris today in Chicago giving a lecture on Modernist Cuisine. He was a very good and engaging speaker and told his story about how he got started - by having a meal at Fat Duck, his tenure there and meeting Nathan, and coming back to the states and helping to create "The Book". Chris, thanks for the great presentation!

Cheers....

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 02:19 PM

It took longer than we would have liked but Eat Your Books has now indexed Modernist Cuisine. 714 astounding recipes for which we had to add 144 new ingredients! Mainly chemicals but also veal jowl fat, Douglas fir buds, pigeon blood. http://www.eatyourbo...ine-the-art-and
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#1496 Paul Kierstead

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 03:13 PM

Three cheers to Jane!!! I'm so happy. Went and checked my bookshelf, sure enough, it was there and indexed.

#1497 LindaK

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:49 PM

Jane, that's terrific. I hadn't bothered to add the ISBN for MC to my EYB bookshelf. But on it goes!

And thanks for the inside scoop on the effort it took to index it, so interesting. Someone on your staff has learned a lot in the process, I imagine.


 


#1498 nickrey

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:15 PM

Thanks Jane, what a mammoth task!
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#1499 Chris Amirault

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:14 AM

That's some fantastic news right there!
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Posted 18 October 2011 - 01:29 AM

My copy arrived today. Wow, it's going to take me years to get through this thing. It's been amazing just skimming through it thus far.
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