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#271 JoNorvelleWalker

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 08:17 PM

I too found the Navy Grog lacking in some depth so I added a Barspoon of St Elizabeth Allspice Dram.

 

Excellent idea. I too do that with tropicals that I otherwise find lacking (like my "Piña Colada," which I make with dark rum, added lime, and a barspoon of allspice dram). In some cases, a small amount of a pie spice amaro (Ramazzotti, etc) can similarly add depth and spice; I like Luxardo Abano, which has a cola character but adds a great savory black pepper note. 

 

My favorite Tiki drinks tend to have a depth of spice to them; it's one reason I generally prefer Don the Beachcomber's drinks to Vic's (as much as I love the glorious Mai Tai). 

 

Can you give your recipe for the Mai Tai?

 

I've been studying Wayne Curtis' book, and a Bottle of Rum.  Curtis' Mai Tai (which I think is derived from Trader Vic's) is 1 oz Jamaican rum, 1 oz medium bodied rum, 3/4 oz orange curacao, 3/4 oz lime juice, 1/4 oz orgeat.

 

He also lists a Don the Beachcomber's Mai Tai as:  1 1/2 oz dark rum, 1 oz medium bodied rum, 3/4 oz lime juice, 1 oz grapefruit juice, 1/4 oz falernum, 1/2 oz triple sec, 2 dashes Angostura, 1 dash Pernod.

 

I'd also be interested to see good recipes for the Zombie.  Does anyone use real absinthe in their Mai Tai or Zombie formulae?



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:28 PM

Absinthe in the Zombie, yes as I use Don's formula.  Mai Tai, no, as I prefer Trader Vic's.


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#273 JoNorvelleWalker

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:07 PM

Absinthe in the Zombie, yes as I use Don's formula.  Mai Tai, no, as I prefer Trader Vic's.

 

Many thanks.  I have never made either but in the 1970's and 1980's, on business trips, I was fond of Mai Tais and Zombies.  What kind of absinthe would work well?



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:42 PM

Honestly, absinthe in Tiki drinks is used in such minute quantities that I don't think it matters much what sort, as long as it's one made properly with real herbs and whatnot



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 06:27 AM

The Mai Tai formula I use is basicaly Trader Vic's: 1 oz dark aged or Jamaican rum, 1 oz light or gold rum, 1 oz lime juice, 1/2 oz orange curacao, 1/4 oz orgeat (sometimes I use falernum), 1/4 oz simple. I almost always add a splash of Lemon Hart 151. I never add any other kind of juice.

But I do like the looks of this recipe (ie with the extra curacao instead of simple syrup)

Curtis' Mai Tai (which I think is derived from Trader Vic's) is 1 oz Jamaican rum, 1 oz medium bodied rum, 3/4 oz orange curacao, 3/4 oz lime juice, 1/4 oz orgeat.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:04 AM

My Tai

0.75oz Skipper Demerera
0.75oz Smith & Cross
1.25oz Trois Riveries Blanc
1.25oz Lime
0.75oz Pierre Ferrand Curaçao
0.5 oz Orgeat
0.25oz Vanilla Syrup.

Shake, cubed ice, crown with crushed, lime husk with bitters dashed on and large mint sprig for garnish.

My ounces are 20ml for ease of multiplying and dividing and because you don't like the metric system, but these are my ratios.


I also agree that absinthe in dashes doesn't matter. Just use the cheapest real distilled absinthe you have. Pernod Absinthe and La Fee are both fine. The latter have just released an all natural verte, which is nice, but really it doesn't matter in such small quantities.
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#277 FrogPrincesse

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 08:36 AM

For reference, there is also this thread about Mai Tai recipes.



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 08:47 AM

Regarding Zombies, even pastis works. At these low amounts, I don't think that you would be able to detect a difference from absinthe.



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 03:59 PM

For reference, there is also this thread about Mai Tai recipes.

 

Thank you!  I had not seen it.  Now if I only had the ingredients...



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:26 PM

I rather like falernum instead of lime juice.  One each of two rums, half each of falernum, orgeat and curaçao.  With a float of Smoke & Oakum Gunpowder Rum, which is a luxury I'm aware most of you won't be able to share.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:43 PM

With a float of Smoke & Oakum Gunpowder Rum, which is a luxury I'm aware most of you won't be able to share.

 

True, but we in New Jersey have Busted Barrel.



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:32 PM

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:18 PM

Busted Barrel is the first product of a two person distillery.  The rum went on sale last month.  My bottle is from batch 2.  I have no connection other than geographical proximity.  I can't wait to try the barrel aged.

 

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:48 PM

Funny name for an unaged product.
They should have called it "Too Broke for Barrels"

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:14 PM

 

Does this count as a tiki drink? Falernum and lime are there - on the other hand there isn't any rum and the glassware has no face. And it contains elderflower. And there are a very restrained five ingredients only.

 

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1 1/2 oz Bourbon
3/4 oz Falernum
3/4 oz Lime Juice
1/2 oz St. Germain
2 dash Peychaud's Bitters

 

 

Thanks for sharing this. I made it with a homemade elderflower cordial and Buffalo Trace bourbon. Still haven't got around to making a batch of falernum.

 

It does have a certain tiki vibe to it as you wrote. It's a very nice cocktail; I made it two nights in a row! And I liked it much better than its inspiration the Ward Eight...

 

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 10:39 AM

I made a pair of Gold Cups last night, a recipe found while looking for orgeat + absinthe combos in the Kindred Cocktails database (Demerara rum, lime juice, maraschino liqueur, orgeat, simple syrup, absinthe, mint garnish).

 

I decided to try it even though it would not have the proper ice veil garnish... but life is too short for this kind of nonsense. This was delicious and a great use of St. George absinthe.

 

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I ended up using only 1/4 of simple syrup as my homemade orgeat is quite sweet already.

The recipe from Jeff Berry calls for gold/amber Jamaican rum but I went with the 5-year El Dorado demerara rum from the Clio version. The mint garnish was a nice touch too.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:05 AM

I made a pair of Gold Cups last night, a recipe found while looking for orgeat + absinthe combos in the Kindred Cocktails database (Demerara rum, lime juice, maraschino liqueur, orgeat, simple syrup, absinthe, mint garnish).

 

I decided to try it even though it would not have the proper ice veil garnish... but life is too short for this kind of nonsense. This was delicious and a great use of St. George absinthe.

 

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I ended up using only 1/4 of simple syrup as my homemade orgeat is quite sweet already.

The recipe from Jeff Berry calls for gold/amber Jamaican rum but I went with the 5-year El Dorado demerara rum from the Clio version. The mint garnish was a nice touch too.

 

What's an ice veil?



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:57 AM

 

What's an ice veil?

 

My term but it's essentially a hollow half cone of ice. A good example is from the Luau cocktail menu - fifth photo down. Jeff Berry describes it as "an ice shell forming a hood over the glass".


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

It does have a certain tiki vibe to it as you wrote. It's a very nice cocktail; I made it two nights in a row! And I liked it much better than its inspiration the Ward Eight...

 

 

Agreed, although I find a Ward Eight much improved if you omit the lemon, orange and grenadine  :biggrin:  Those are only present to compensate each other's horribleness.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 05:04 PM

 

Agreed, although I find a Ward Eight much improved if you omit the lemon, orange and grenadine  :biggrin:  Those are only present to compensate each other's horribleness.

 

I think you are onto something...



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 07:45 PM

I made a pair of Gold Cups last night, a recipe found while looking for orgeat + absinthe combos in the Kindred Cocktails database (Demerara rum, lime juice, maraschino liqueur, orgeat, simple syrup, absinthe, mint garnish).

 

I decided to try it even though it would not have the proper ice veil garnish... but life is too short for this kind of nonsense. This was delicious and a great use of St. George absinthe.

 

I ended up using only 1/4 of simple syrup as my homemade orgeat is quite sweet already.

The recipe from Jeff Berry calls for gold/amber Jamaican rum but I went with the 5-year El Dorado demerara rum from the Clio version. The mint garnish was a nice touch too.

 

Oh that does sound nice, even if I can't afford to go out and get the ingredients!



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:32 PM

Anyone tried Beachbum Berry's Coconaut?

 

8 ounces Lopez coconut cream

2 ounces fresh lime juice

7 ounces dark Jamaican rum



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 04:10 PM

My first Fogcutter today. Made as per the Trader Vic recipe, recommended on the old Kaiser Penguin Blog.

 

2 Oz Light PR Rum(Angostura Reserva)

1 Oz Brandy (Ansac VSOP)

0.5 Oz Gin (Beefeater)

2 Oz Lemon Juice

1 Oz Orange Juice

0.5 Oz Orgeat(BG Reynolds, generous)

0.5 Oz Sherry (as a float, Sandeman Armada Rich Cream Olorosso)

Shake with ice and strain into a tall glass filled with crushed ice. Float Sherry on top. Add straw.

 

Well, I think that drink perfectly fits the description of dangerous - Very moreish and strong. I chose this after looking through several recipes, and seeing as Kaiser Penguin's reasons for thinking this one best aligned well with my drink preferences I chose it. The two ounces of lemon juice makes it bracing, but it needs that to temper the orange juice, which has a tendency to leave cocktails to watery for me. My experiments with the bottle of sherry shall continue!


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:46 PM

Having some rather nice grapefruit, I decided to make the FM from Rowen at The Fogged in Lounge

 

2.5 Oz Barbados Rum(okay, I cheated, Appleton V/X)

0.75 Oz Creme de Cacao (DeKuyper, no Marie Brizard in my area without mail order, I don't us it enough to justify)

2 Oz Grapefruit Juice

1 Oz Lime Juice

2-3 ds Grapefruit Bitters

Shake, strain, rocks glass, add ice.

 

I was suspicious of this one for a while, as a previous experiment with chocolate tiki, the Pago Pago, had not produced enjoyable results. This, however, is quite nice. Deceptively light, drinkable cocktail. I do feel it could benefit from some spice though. Maybe a dash of Angostura in place of on of the grapefruit bitters dashed, or a rinse of allspice dram. Something to consider.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:47 PM

How better to celebrate the acquisition of some new bottles, and to ward off the return of the -20 temps than some tiki. First up was this - 

 

Jet Pilot (recipe from Kaiser Penguin)

1 Oz Dark Rum (Goslings)

0.75 Oz PR Gold Rum (Appleton V/X)

0.75 Oz Lemon Hat 151

0.5 Oz Falernum

0.5 Oz Cinnamon Syrup

0.5 Oz Lime Juice

0.5 Oz Grapefruit Juice

6 drops Herbsaint(3 spritzes Kubler Absinthe)

1 ds Peychauds Bitters

Blend with ice, pour into a goblet(shake with ice, strain into a goblet over crushed ice)

 

This was excellent. It is nice to have the ingredients to knock up some true tiki. I think the thing that makes this sing is the cinnamon syrup. I will ahve to grab some more Ceylon cinnamon soon, as my syrup is quickly running out.

 

Maybe not strictly tiki, but certainly in the spirit of, I also had this - 

 

Swamp Water Fix (Cocktail Virgin Slut)

1.5 OZ Green Chartreuse

1 Oz Batavia Arrack

0.5 OZ Pineapple Juice

0.5 Oz Pineapple Syrup

0.75 Oz Lime Juice

2 drops Celery Bitters (omitted, Boker's added for complexity)

Build over crushed ice

 

I will never tire of Pineapple and Chartreuse as a combo. The Chartreuse Swizzle is a favorite of mine, and this is very much in the same vein. I would love to see how the Celery Bitters change it, when I do get around to purchasing them


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Posted 02 February 2014 - 08:50 AM

Ah, the Jet Pilot, most excellent!



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:12 PM

How better to celebrate the acquisition of some new bottles, and to ward off the return of the -20 temps than some tiki. First up was this - 

 

Jet Pilot (recipe from Kaiser Penguin)

1 Oz Dark Rum (Goslings)

0.75 Oz PR Gold Rum (Appleton V/X)

0.75 Oz Lemon Hat 151

0.5 Oz Falernum

0.5 Oz Cinnamon Syrup

0.5 Oz Lime Juice

0.5 Oz Grapefruit Juice

6 drops Herbsaint(3 spritzes Kubler Absinthe)

1 ds Peychauds Bitters

Blend with ice, pour into a goblet(shake with ice, strain into a goblet over crushed ice)

 

This was excellent. It is nice to have the ingredients to knock up some true tiki. I think the thing that makes this sing is the cinnamon syrup. I will ahve to grab some more Ceylon cinnamon soon, as my syrup is quickly running out.

The Jet Pilot was created at Stephen Crane's restaurant The Luau, and is a variation on Don the Beachcomber's Test Pilot. The recipe was unearthed & adapted by Jeff Berry for Sippin' Safari, and posted verbatim on the Kaiser Penguin blog. Note that it uses Angostura rather than Peychaud's bitters. I can't think of a Tiki drink that uses Peychaud's. 

 

I might have to make myself one tonight - I have a ton of citrus and a batch of homemade falernum, so that sounds like a plan. Last time I had one was back in November - this beauty concocted by Christian Siglin at Banker's Hill, with banana-infused Smith & Cross, aged Flor de Cana, El Dorado 15, housemade falernum, St. George absinthe, etc. It was ridiculously good.

 

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:14 PM

Holy crap, banana-infused Smith & Cross. Great rum choices there. 


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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:21 PM

Holy crap, banana-infused Smith & Cross. Great rum choices there. 

Yes, he clearly knows that he is doing. 

Banana S&C is high on the list of things I want to make at home.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:36 PM


Banana S&C is high on the list of things I want to make at home.

 

 

How long an infusion do you envisage?