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[jsmeeker]

Damn, Chris.. You just made me hungry. And I just finished a big bowl of chili!

I like how you made one serving, too. I always make several, even when it's just me. And I do it in all my big 7 1/4 qt. Le Crueset. What's the deal with the paper on top?

[Chris Amirault]

Actually, it was two servings. Even I can't eat two shanks in one sitting!

The paper on top is a cartouche, which is a little disposable tool meant to prevent the liquids from bubbling up and being vaporized on the lid. It helps to reduce evaporation and thus to keep flavors in the sauce you're building in the pot.

[JAZ]

So I guess the hole in the cartouche is for the string that ties the bouquet garni together? Why crumple the paper first?

[jsmeeker]

wouldn't some evaporation lead to a reduction of the liquid, increasing it's flavor?

Anyway.. I probably would had had both veal shanks.

[Chris Amirault]

So I guess the hole in the cartouche is for the string that ties the bouquet garni together?

Yes, and to let some steam escape, preventing the parchment from being puffed up. That hole is absurdly big, I'll add.

Why crumple the paper first?

Not sure. Wolfert says to do it in the SWF book, and I've just always done it. I think it enables irregularly cut parchment to fit neatly into the dutch oven and allows little areas to accommodate the bubbling. Good question.....

wouldn't some evaporation lead to a reduction of the liquid, increasing it's flavor?

In this method, you can have two stages, one in which the very flavorful braising liquid is kept to a minimum (the cartouche, the seal, etc.) intensifying its flavor by limited volume of liquid, and the other in which you reduce that liquid post-braise. Any liquid that evaporates on the uncovered lid leaves flavor residue on it -- it's that fond-y brown stuff -- and I'd rather that in the sauce than washed off the lid.

eta the part about the cartouche hole -- ca

Edited by chrisamirault, 11 January 2009 - 08:20 PM.

[Peter the eater]

Chris, your shanks look divine. Veal is very hard to come by in my area, maybe the odd cutlet, there's just no market. Oxtail or lamb shanks are popular enough for the grocery stores to carry, but for bona fide ossobuco one needs to know the butcher.

[Chris Amirault]

Sounds like a relationship to develop, eh?

That much-discussed marrow is one of the most fantastic things about this dish, btw. Why someone would eat an animal's flesh but not that luscious marrow is beyong my ken. Yum.

[Wolfert]

Not sure. Wolfert says to do it in the SWF book, and I've just always done it. I think it enables irregularly cut parchment to fit neatly into the dutch oven and allows little areas to accommodate the bubbling. Good question.....

And you answered it!

That's the reason I use moistened and crumbled parchment paper---it fits over the food with some wiggle room for a gentle circulation and slow evaporation of moisture, ensuring the proper butter-soft consistency one wants when cooking such foods as stuffed grape leaves, chunks of tough meat, or vegetabes such as artichokes.

I used to fold and cut cartouches, but when Turkish cooks taught me that a moistened and crumbled piece of parchment paper does the same thing in half the prep time, I jumped for the change.

Edited by Wolfert, 12 January 2009 - 09:06 AM.

[Chris Amirault]

A new tip -- and from the source, even. Thanks Paula!

[Peter the eater]

. . . .I used to fold and cut cartouches, but  when Turkish cooks taught me that a moistened and crumbled piece of parchment paper does the same thing in half the prep time, I jumped for the change.

Is paper better than foil?

[Chris Amirault]

Since paper doesn't conduct heat (and foil does), it allows for gentler evaporation, I think.

[slkinsey]

Actually, everything conducts heat. Some things just do it better than others.

I'm not sure I follow the logic of including parchment paper if the braise is condicted in an appropriately sized vessel with a heavy and well-fitting lid. Using something like a Staub shouldn't result in much evaporation anyway.

Perhaps someone can explain this a bit better.

[Chris Amirault]

Actually, everything conducts heat.  Some things just do it better than others.

Of course -- fingers faster than my brain.

I'm not sure I follow the logic of including parchment paper if the braise is condicted in an appropriately sized vessel with a heavy and well-fitting lid.  Using something like a Staub shouldn't result in much evaporation anyway.

Perhaps someone can explain this a bit better.

Not sure I can. I think that the technique may have less effect in a well-sealing Staub at low heat, but at higher temps and in my less-well-sealing Le Creuset dutch oven, wouldn't having something immediately above the food prevent spatter from burning off on the underside of the lid? Before I used this technique, I would often find fond up there....

[slkinsey]

My going-in hypothesis is that the parchment is mostly useful because it reduces the effective "air space" in the braising vessel, which may have some effect. If one were to use a braising vessel with shorter sides, this perhaps wouldn't be an issue.

I'm not sure I can buy the "burning off on the lid" theory. Presumably, if the heavy iron lid is above the boiling point of water, then vapors from the braising liquid would not condense there. If vapors from the braising liquid are able to condense there, then it seems likely that the inner surface of the lid is lower than 100C.

This does obscure one important fact about enameled cast iron cocottes such as Le Creuset, which is that they're not particularly optimized for use in the oven. Rather, they're designed to be used on the stovetop, and I would actually argue in favor of stovetop braising (I would recommend the addition of an aluminum disk even when using enameled cast iron). On the stove top, the heavy lid stays relatively cool and recondenses cooking vapors back into the braise (Staub even has little nodules on the underside of the lid to facilitate this).

[MikeTMD]

As I got the ossobuco in the oven, I realized that there were lots of potentially interesting braising tricks built into my approach for folks who might find this recipe a bit intimidating, particularly given the price of these damned shanks. (Nearly all have been stolen from others, mind you, often from around here. wink.gif) As a result I took a lot of photos of the mise prep, stovetop cooking, and so on.

Chris,

does your recipe call for tomato paste at all ( added after mirepoix is browned)? Also, what kind of stock did you use?

My personal favorite ossobuco recipe comes from "Babbo" Cookbook by Batali - they braise a whole shank, BTW, and serve it with gremolata.

Generally, I use house veal stock/white wine/simple house tomato sauce to braise shanks - it seems to be a sure crowd-pleaser, despite the cost of "prima materia".

Ah-hhhhhh, if only pictures could describe the smell and the taste...

Edited by MikeTMD, 13 January 2009 - 01:15 AM.

[Chris Amirault]

I didn't use tomato paste in the mix-n-match recipe I used, culled from several sources.

Thanks for that photo, btw, which illustrates one of the points I've been trying to make about the cartouche. When I use one, I don't have that collar of fond (and lost flavor) around the edge.

[Kevin72]

I took a stab at this last weekend.

Used Marcella Hazan's recipe from her Classic Italian Cookbook. Don't know if it's in the reprint that combines her first two books.

Here they are (clumsily) tied off and ready to go, with the soffrito (mire poix or aromatics) in the background.



Those two cost me $24 at Whole Foods. No wonder it's been a few years since I made them last.



The stovetop ready to go. Curiously, Hazan's recipe calls for browning off the floured shanks in a skillet, then transferring them to a casserole or other cooking vessel for the braise. Not sure why that is; maybe it was an allowance for the cookware at the time? At any rate, I followed her instructions. Wilt the soffrito in the casserole with butter in the back left part of the pic. The pot just above the skillet with the shanks has some homemade broth defrosting/simmering.



After you've seared off the shanks you drain off the fat and then deglaze with white wine, getting up all the bits and whatnot. I decided I don't like this sear and transfer method; you still lose some of the fond in the searing pan no matter how aggressive you are in scraping as it deglazes.

At any rate, here they are about to pop into the oven (240 F), with the reduced wine, broth, a couple cubes of frozen tomato sauce, a bunde of herbs (thyme, bay leaf, rosemary) and a lemon peel.

Risotto Milanes is THE accompaniment to osso bucco in my mind and as I mentioned earlier, one of the few cases in traditional Itlian cooking where something typically looked at as a primo is served with the main (secondo). I must admit however that more often than not I do serve risotti with my main.

So here it is at the end of the first couple stages, where you wilt aromatics (onion ad pancetta), then add the raw short-grained rice and toast it, then add your first ladleful of broth, some white wine, and saffron to give it that characteristic color and flavor.



While everything's cooking, a little cocktail.



The northern regions of Piemonte and Lombardia (where Milan is) both are home to several reputable vermouth makers, so this was a whipped up mix of equal measures of vodka and three kinds of vermouth (French Dry, Italian White, and Italian Red), plus a dash of bitters and a slice of lemon.

The risotto alla milanese, shortly before the mantecare step (when you add in butter and cheese, then stir vigorously before serving). That darker bit in the risotto, just above the spoon, is some marrow from the osso bucco.



Plated and ready to go, with oven-roasted asparagus on the side. The green scattered over the meat is gremolata (Marcella calls it "gremolada", and also curiously admits that she doesn't much care for it), a raw mixture of parsley, celery, garlic, and lemon zest, which really elevates the dish onto another plane. I need to remember using this technique more on braises, particularly in late winter/early spring when braising's getting old and the pallate could use a jolt.



The World's Toughest Critic tried her first risotto milanese:



"Perfetto!"



Like the Amirault household, no leftovers from this meal.

Edited by Kevin72, 24 January 2009 - 02:40 PM.

[Chris Amirault]

Kevin, did you see any advantage to dredging the shanks with flour? I left that out intentionally; it seems like with such a long braise of shanks you'll thicken up the sauce without it, and it's unneeded for browning.

[Kevin72]

Not really, to be honest. Again maybe there would be an ever so slight difference if you seared them off in the same pan you cooked them in but as it is, most got left behind. I think that's a fair observation.

[Pille]

Great step-by-step pictures, chrisamirault!!

We ate osso buco at friends' house just a fortnight ago, but it's been a while since I made it myself. The recipe was this one, which itself was a combination of various sources. Rather tempted to make it again now :)

[Chris Amirault]

So you're a gremolata fan? I didn't make any this time as you can see. I'm sort of split on the matter; it seems a bit like gilding the lily (and I think Hazan agrees).

[Kevin72]

I think gremolata is what makes the dish stand apart. Something noticable. It's not necessarily something you'd miss but it does elevate it into something more than a standards braise (I guess that's the textbook definition of "guilding the lilly" though).

[Shaya]

The World's Toughest Critic tried her first risotto milanese:

Kevin, what a beauty she is. Wait until she realizes what an amazing cook her daddy is.

Oh, and the dinner looks fantastic too. I have some shanks in the fridge right now, it's one of my favorite meals to make.

Edited by Shaya, 02 February 2009 - 03:21 PM.

[PopsicleToze]

I bought the veal shank (2 pieces, total weight just over 2# at $29, Whole Foods, Baton Rouge). I usually just wing osso buco and have the meat almost but not quite falling off the bone. However, I was just reading a really old cookbook from Julia and she specifically states that the meat should not be cooked until it is falling off the bone and she cooked it as part of a family menu.

I guess that somewhat changed over the years since -- or has it always been this way and I've just been overcooking the dish ??

[genarog]

What would be the best way to reheat this dish?

[Kevin72]

Kevin, what a beauty she is.  Wait until she realizes what an amazing cook her daddy is.

Oh, and the dinner looks fantastic too.  I have some shanks in the fridge right now, it's one of my favorite meals to make.

Thanks! Let us know how your dish turns out.

As for the cooking and reheating questions asked, I'm not scientifically astute enough to answer these but I'm sure Chris and/or Samuel will probably chime in here shortly with some answers.

[Chris Amirault]

No scientist here, but I'd suggest separating the sauce elements from the proteins, heating the sauce thoroughly and independently on the stovetop, and then reheating the meat gently in the sauce.

[snowangel]

Chris, your method for reheating is precisely what Paula Wolfert suggests. Further, she advocates separating the meat from the liquid before refrigerating and sealing the meat tightly. Paula does note that once you add the meat back into the warmed liquid, you can either heat on the stove or in the oven.

[Michael B]

This dish has been a favourite of mine for many years.
We have our own cattle so when a steer finds his way into the freezer there is always plenty of Osso Buco.
I don't use veal for obvious reasons. This steer was 2 years old. In future I am going back to 9-12 months.

This dish is obviously all about the sauce, which largely means it is all about the tomatoes.
As it is the end of summer here there is a surplus of fresh ingredients to be found within 50 metres of the back door. I think there are about 9 different varieties of tomato in this, prepared a number of different ways.

Firstly we have the leftovers from breakfast.
Sliced in half and sprinkled with dried and fresh herbs, garlic and olive oil and heated in a slow oven for a few hours.


Then I browned the meat in ghee in a frypan.
I fried a finely chopped large onion and a leek and 3 large garlic cloves in olive oil in the pan I used to make the dish.
After the meat was cooked I fried 2 finely chopped large carrots in the remaining ghee and ground cumin .
Half a bottle of Coonawarra cabernet merlot and about a cup of beef stock, a teaspoon of powdered vegetable stock which I always use instead of salt as it is quite salty, another 6-8 finely chopped tomatoes, about 2 cups of cooked tomatoes (a thick sauce really) a large quantity of basil, a finely chopped uncooked large onion, 2 cloves of garlic and a sprig of rosemary.
With some of the wine I blended 1 can of red kidney beans and 6 anchovies.

Just before it left the stove to spend 2 1/2 hours in the oven at 120C it looked like this;



Some comments.
I like to have both browned and raw onion and garlic in the dish. They have distinctly different flavours when cooked in oil and water and I like both.
I like to add legumes to my sauces. I find they not only add thickness but they improve the depth of flavour.
This is the first time I have fried the carrots in cumin first. I like the result and will probably do it regularly from now on.

I served the Osso Buco with roasted potatoes and shredded beetroot and broad beans steamed in the pressure cooker with garlic and butter.

Edited by Michael B, 15 February 2009 - 03:51 PM.

[Peter the eater]

We had "bone hole" last night, and I must say, it was the perfect slow-cooker meal for a cold Friday night.

The meat was dusted with seasoned flour, pan-browned in olive oil, then placed in the electric crock pot. The aromatics were soften a bit in the same pan, combined with chicken stock, then added to the crock. I defrosted stock from the freezer and just before dumping it in, I realized it was seafood stock -- oops. It amazes me how odorless frozen stock can be, I very briefly considered using it.

Instead of peeling and seeding tomatoes, I pureed three small romas in the blender. I didn't use wine, but I did make some awesome gremolata with the flat parsley, lemon zest, fresh garlic, cracked pepper and crunchy sea salt.