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#31 FoodMuse

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 01:44 PM

Jumbo Breakfast Roll- sounds fantastic and bizarre. I want one. :biggrin: I love the video. Sent it along to my family. I don't understand your embarrassment from eating it. Doesn't every great culture need one really trashy dish. I guess as an American I have more than one to choose from.

CalumC
It is NEVER wrong to mention chips. Brown sauce doesn't sound very appetizing, never had it. Is it some beef broth thickened up and poured over everything?

Stephen_K
Achill boxty (potato cake made with raw potato) is another new one to me. I'm getting quite a brekkie education.

dougal
Thanks for the skirlie info. Sounds good.

The Old Foodie
What's with all the bread in those menus? :biggrin: I like to find old menus and recipes and cookbooks online.
Hot Buttered Toast
Dry Toast
Brown and White Bread and Butter AND
Bread and Milk
It seems a little excessive at the same meal.
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#32 erica graham

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:00 PM

Brown sauce doesn't sound very appetizing, never had it. Is it some beef broth thickened up and poured over everything?


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No HP type brown sauce, a ketchup style sauce, necessary with any cooked breakfast in our house.
http://www.hpsauce.com
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#33 Prawncrackers

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:04 PM

CalumC
It is NEVER wrong to mention chips. Brown sauce doesn't sound very appetizing, never had it. Is it some beef broth thickened up and poured over everything?


:laugh: priceless

#34 FoodMuse

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:42 PM

Haha,
Just checked out the HP website. They list ingredients as malt vinegar, molasses and dates. Sounds good to me! No beef broth in site. :rolleyes:

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#35 CalumC

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 04:02 PM

beef broth sounds a lot like bovril, which is also known as devil juice. At least to me. Facking disgusting.

You've been given quite the breakfast education, its something of an institution so theres a lot of opinion.

#36 FoodMuse

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 04:24 PM

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Thank you so much for your historical perspective. I never would have thought class issues would enter into this discussion. I suppose class is such a part of British life. Makes sense it would trickle down through the food chain (yes, terrible pun) Fascinating post.
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#37 andiesenji

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 08:08 PM

I like HP sauce too. However, I give the edge to Daddie's Sauce which is just enough different for me to have an excuse to have them both on hand.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 08:22 PM

Tim Hayward
Thank you so much for your historical perspective. I never would have thought class issues would enter into this discussion. I suppose class is such a part of British life. Makes sense it would trickle down through the food chain (yes, terrible pun) Fascinating post.

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It is indeed interesting because of the social evolution that revolved around food in the first half of the last century.
Watching the characters in the film Gosford Park, while at breakfast, took me back to my childhood (not in the UK but in western Kentucky) in a house full of ex-pat Brits in the '40s.
During and after WWII my family shipped crates of stuff to family members living in the UK, most of it produced on the farm. In return, there was a steady stream of books, maps and other ephemera collected by various family members and left behind when they emigrated to the US in 1919.

In spite of my family members eating all the "wrong" things, fried, fatty and rich, many lived to extreme old age with all their faculties intact. My great-grandmother was born in 1844 and died in 1949 when I was ten, two months short of her 105th birthday.

Edited by andiesenji, 22 May 2008 - 08:26 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 12:00 AM

HP sauce is definitely necessary, and for a traditional Scottish angle you might want to throw in a deep fried Mars bar. For a continental twist, a slice of pizza crunch may be in order.

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 03:29 AM

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What's with all the bread in those menus? :biggrin:  I like to find old menus and recipes and cookbooks online.
Hot Buttered Toast
Dry Toast
Brown and White Bread and Butter  AND
Bread and Milk
It seems a little excessive at the same meal.

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One has to have the choice, doesnt one? one never knows in advance what one might fancy at breakfast, does one? Besides, it keeps it simple for the Hired Help, does it not? One has to keep one's servants happy (not unhappy, at any rate), because it is so difficult to fine good replacements, is it not?

One didnt think one ate it ALL, did one?
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#41 FoodMuse

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 10:43 AM

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:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

I see your point, One must keep all her toast options open.

camdan
Pizza Crunch? Is that deep fried pizza?

andiesenji
I really enjoyed hearing about your family. I'll have to rent Gosford Park again.
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#42 camdan

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 02:27 PM

Battered and deep fried pizza. Distinct from the unbattered deep fried pizza and extra healthful.

#43 FoodMuse

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:26 AM

Battered Pizza. Sounds like a good reason to visit Scotland.
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#44 Adam Balic

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Posted 26 May 2008 - 07:09 PM

Battered Pizza. Sounds like a good reason to visit Scotland.

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Its not. Nor is the battered king rib. Battered haggis is good though as is the mealy pudding.

#45 SaladFingers

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Posted 31 May 2008 - 08:46 AM

A much simplified version of a cooked breakfast is championed here

http://russelldavies...nchipsandbeans/

I've eaten FEBs all my life until I read Russell's book and now eggs, bacon, chips and beans is my order. It's also nice to eat in a cafe rather than at home too.

A decent sized plate fills me till the evening.

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Posted 31 May 2008 - 11:42 AM

In regards to beverages:

Good strong Assam tea
Vintage bubbles i.e. Bollinger or Krug work well with a big English fry up.

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Posted 31 May 2008 - 03:19 PM

This has to be the funniest thread in EG history.

It's left me speechless.

#48 The Old Foodie

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Posted 31 May 2008 - 03:51 PM

Some inspirational quotations on breakfast, to keep the ideas flowing:

To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day.
Somerset Maugham

Pooh and Piglet walked home thoughtfully together in the golden evening, and for a long time they were silent. “When you wake up in the morning, Pooh,” said Piglet at last, “what’s the first thing you say to yourself?” “What’s for breakfast?” said Pooh. “What do you say, Piglet?” “I say, I wonder what’s going to happen exciting today?” said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. “It’s the same thing,” he said.
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Experts say that Chardonnays have the flavors of fruit, butter, toast. Sounds like a good breakfast wine. Jack Mingo; Wannabe Guide To Wine

It takes some skill to spoil a breakfast - even the English can't do it. J K Galbraith.

But the breakfasts ! that's what redeems the land [Scotland] — and every country has its own peculiar excellence. In Argyleshire you have the Lochfine herring, fat, luscious, and delicious, just out of the water, falling to pieces with its own richness — melting away like butter in your mouth. In Aberdeenshire, you have the Finnan haddo' with a flavour all its own, vastly relishing — just salt enough to be piquant, without parching you up with thirst. In Perthshire, there is the Tay salmon, kippered, crisp and juicy — a very magnificent morsel — a keltic, heavy, but that's easily counteracted by a teaspoonful of the Athole whisky. In other places, you have the exquisite mutton of the country made into hams of a most delicate flavour ; flour scones, soft and white ; oat-cake, thin and crisp ; marmalade and jams of every description ..
From Marriage: A novel, by Miss S Ferrier, 1847

What does this journey seem like to those who aren't British--as they head towards the land of embarrassment and breakfast? Julian Barnes; Flaubert's Parrot.

"What a breakfast! Pot of hare; ditto of trout; pot of prepared shrimps; tin of sardines; beautiful beefsteak; eggs, mutton, large loaf and butter, not forgetting capital tea. There's a breakfast for you! George Borrow; Wild Wales.

What? Sunday morning in an English family and no sausages? God bless my soul, what's the world coming to? Dorothy Sayers.

Edited by The Old Foodie, 31 May 2008 - 04:11 PM.

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#49 George

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Posted 03 June 2008 - 05:47 AM

HP sauce is definitely necessary, and for a traditional Scottish angle you might want to throw in a deep fried Mars bar. For a continental twist, a slice of pizza crunch may be in order.

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HP is no longer on our breakfast table - having been a staple for 50 years.
It was made in Birmingham, not far from where I live, but the company was taken over and production moved to Holland.
House of Parliament sauce - made in the Netherlands? No longer on our shopping list.

#50 Jenni

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 06:31 AM

Old thread, but it bears reviving. I can't believe the attitude towards baked beans in this thread! Why, beans on toast with some mushrooms on the side (bacon as well for the non-veggies) is a minature English brekkie any day!

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 07:45 AM

Ah, Jenni, but the humble baked bean evokes so much passion in all brekkie discussions.

Like your good self, I'm quite partial to it and often have it instead of eggs. I think it goes well with black pudding - that is a proper black pudding, shaped like a sausage, not your feeble slice of tasteless catering pap.

And, as for this bubble & squeak lark, surely that's something just for soft southern bastards, who wouldnt recognise a proper fried brekkie if their life depended on it.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 06:18 AM

I'm suprised that those with more nationalist fevour haven't taken issue with the omission of a welsh breakfast from this thread's title

And for the uniniated there is a difference and a punchy one too - or so this article would lead us to believe

http://www.walesonli...-name_page.html

Incidentaly Bovril on toast - infinitely superior to any yeast extract imposters... its wrong on so many levels - but oh so right.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 12:49 PM

Agree with the post above. Laverbread is absent thus far from this thread isn't it? I don't mix mine with cockles, but I do mix with oats and fry in bacon fat or lard. I'm also very partial to it spread on toast and topped with a poached egg, but that's a different approach to the full fry up. Not sure how easy it is to get outside wales, but it's easy enough to find in tins in Welsh supermarkets, and even fresh from the deli counter when in season.

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 05:49 PM

... Laverbread...


I read somewhere that laverbread is the same seaweed as Japanese nori (also a breakfast staple), but I've never come across it. What form does it take ? Any chance of a picture (looks but fails to find eyelid-batting emoticon) ?

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 03:10 PM

I've read that too (re nori). Although I've only ever seen nori in sheets for making sushi rolls. Laverbread is boiled and when you buy it it's wet. I've got some in the cupboard so I'll have some for breakfast this week and take a snap. I'm a fan, and even I'll admit it doesn't look appetising. I also like natto, so my tastebuds are not to be trusted :-)

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 04:08 AM

A bit late, but had laverbread and eggs this morning. I know it doesn't look much but I love it. This my own lazy creation. I've only ever seen it in Welsh cafes mixed with oatmeal, formed into patties and fried in bacon fat. Which is pretty good too, but I prefer this.

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#57 Blether

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 04:32 AM

Nice one - and that's a cracking looking pair of eggs.

So... the laverbread comes in a tin, and you heated it up, spread it on (unbuttered ?) wholweheat, and topped with the eggs ? Does the seaweed come salted in the tin ? How did you heat it up ? How does the flavour compare with the Japanese yaki-nori ? (And while we're here... what's your (obviously successful) poached egg technique, if I may ask ?)

eta: oh, and the cut lemon - was that for this dish ?

Edited by Blether, 07 March 2010 - 04:34 AM.


#58 sheepish

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 05:09 AM

This laverbread was tinned. It does show up on the deli counter of some local supermarkets when in season. As far as I understand it it's just been picked from the shoreline and boiled for 4 or 5 hours. I'd describe the taste as slightly glutinous spinach with a hint of sea water / iodine. Not sure about yaki-nori, I've only ever seen/tried toasted nori sheets. I don't heat it up, just slather on hot toast. No butter. Whatever bread my wife made the previous day. She made a new year's resolution to stop buying bread and make her own with a mother starter everyday - the best new year's resolution someone else has ever made :-)

Eggs. White wine vinegar in the water - just a glug. Really helps firm the whites. And I think fresher eggs the better.

The lemon, embarrassingly a left over ingredient from last night. And I really did clean up the kitchen before starting on breakfast.

#59 Blether

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 05:37 AM

... the best new year's resolution someone else has ever made :-)


I like that.

I thought I could see steam coming from the tin - my mistake. Yaki-nori is exactly what you said - toasted nori.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 06:38 AM

Ah, the steam is from the eggs. I suspect if you soaked yaki-nori it would be quite similar. I've had it snipped as a garnish on noodles and when it soaks into the broth it's not dissimilar.





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