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#1 tammylc

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 10:45 AM

In a bunch of threads over the last few days, I've come across references to chocolate wholesalers that I'd never heard of before. I don't think there's any single thread where we've all listed our favorite sources, and I know it's a resource I would have found really useful for when I was getting started. So I figured I'd start one.

Assouline and Ting - wholesale, no minimum order. Great prices on E. Guittard, also has Valrhona. http://www.icaviar.c...?idCategory=387

Noble Ingredients - Michel Cluizel's USA operation. http://uk.cluizel.co...tailers/48.html

Chocosphere - Big advantage here is huge variety, in both brands and package sizes. But prices are not as good as the others. http://chocosphere.com/

Where do you source your chocolate?

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#2 John DePaula

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 11:13 AM

Chocolate Source is one that I can recommend.

Gourmail though I've never purchased from them.

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#3 David J.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 11:29 AM

Qzina has a variety of covetures and good prices.

#4 Ajl92

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 01:36 PM

I can recommend Assouline from personal experience. I have ordered some of the E Guittard line from them on multiple ocassions and it has been very good, especially for the price.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 03:50 PM

Hello,

I would agree with www.qzina.com

Also, Swiss Chalet, which distributes Felchlin, the good swiss chocolate brand. Chocosphere has a wholesale pricing list, so if you are in business, let them know that you are before you buy, but they have a $250 minimum order for wholesale pricing.

Now, it has to be stated that the more than you buy, i.e. the larger your order is, the better pricing you will get, period. If you don't, then you need to go somewhere else. I am starting my own company and hope that by next year I will be able to order by pallet. That is nearly a ton of chocolate, but the pricing it sometimes 40% less than what other people sell for wholesale.


Good luck to everyone!

#6 readingrilke

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 03:53 PM

Also, look at Paris Gourmet. They have alot of distributors throughout the states, such as Rader Foods in Miami, which offers great pricing on shipping.

#7 tammylc

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 05:19 PM

Hello,

I would agree with www.qzina.com

Also,  Swiss Chalet, which distributes Felchlin, the good swiss chocolate brand. Chocosphere has a wholesale pricing list, so if you are in business, let them know that you are before you buy, but they have a $250 minimum order for wholesale pricing.

Now, it has to be stated that the more than you buy, i.e. the larger your order is, the better pricing you will get, period. If you don't, then you need to go somewhere else. I am starting my own company and hope that by next year I will be able to order by pallet. That is nearly a ton of chocolate, but the pricing it sometimes 40% less than what other people sell for wholesale.


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Thanks for the tip on Chocosphere! i have to order a bunch of tasting squares, and should be able to make that minimum.

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#8 Tri2Cook

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 05:35 PM

I've been using the above mentioned Chocolate Source and have been very happy with them but the quantities I'm going through now have me looking at Qzina as an option (the main savings is on the shipping but everything helps). I ordered a few things from Qzina recently and was happy with the service but I've never had any complaints about the service at Chocolate Source either.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 06:31 PM

I go to my local place, Marque Foods, to get my chocolate. It has a decent selection of chocolate at good prices. It's close enough for me to go pick up what I need. Will be going next week to pick up the holiday supplies.

#10 ejw50

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 07:02 PM

If anybody lives in Boston area, Marty's liquors in Newton has Callebaut for $3.50 a pound. Valrhona for $10 (I think, it was a good price anyway).

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 08:59 PM

Maybe someone can help me with this...I'm looking for a place to get some Scharffen Berger Milk 41% but I can't find a good price anywhere.

I've had a lot of requests for a milk chocolate around my vanilla truffle so I've gone out and tasted many different milks. The Scharffen Berger seems to have the right flavor combination for what I'm trying to do. The problem is that I cannot find it in anything but the 3 oz bars and the 9.7 oz bars and typically at around $13.50-$19.00 per lb.

If anyone knows where I can get this for a better price, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

#12 gfron1

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 09:30 PM

Are you doing a small amount? I get mine directly from them.

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#13 merlicky

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 11:28 AM

In the grand scheme of things I’d say that I would use a small amount, a pound or two would probably be more than enough for now. I’d be willing to buy more because there are other places I could use this chocolate, but probably not more than the 6-11 lb bulk packages I’ve seen with other chocolates.

When I cover these vanilla truffles with dark chocolate, I use the Scharffen Berger 70%. I don’t get a great price on these either, as I buy them retail (6 oz boxes) for $12.64/lb. But, that retail price for the dark is better than anything I’ve been able to find for their milk.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 01:17 PM

I have been buying my bulk chocolate, cocoa butter, glucose syrup, colored cocoa butters, etc. from Albert Uster Imports (AUI Online Store). They have a variety of bulk chocolates available (now in 8 lb. bags) which in my view taste quite well in comparison to others at a reasonable price.
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#15 sote23

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 01:03 AM

I've bought from Qzina, Marque foods, gourmail, in the past. I also recommend
village imports www.madeinfrance.net , they carry callebaut, valrhona, cacao berry, cacao noel.

If you order from Gourmail, keep in mind they take about 2 weeks for the order to
arrive ( for me in CA anyway), so if you need quickly I would avoid them.

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#16 Pam R

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 10:56 AM

Due to some technical difficulties, the following post by Chris Hennes appears as a quote. All of the content in the post is his.

I put together a table of the suppliers I've considered, as well as representative pricing (prices pulled on Monday, Jan. 21, 2008). I've only considered places where the order can be placed online and delivered to a home address, since those are the only places I have pricing info for. I considered adding other places and just putting in X's for the chocolates they carry (actually, maybe this whole table should just be done like that since prices are constantly changing?) All listed prices are in USD and obviously, the list doesn't actually reflect what's in stock, just what they list on the website. I've also inevitably mis-typed some prices and chocolate names, so if it looks too good to be true, it probably is...



I have only personally ordered from Chocosphere since their selection is nothing short of incredible, though as you can see the pricing is a bit higher than other sources that carry the same product. Finally, I only included chocolates that I have heard of, so no doubt your personal favorite is probably not on the list... my apologies. I'd love to make this more comprehensive, but my latest data run is complete, so I have to go back to work... oh, well.



(I couldn't find anything in the eGullet regulations that would prohibit this type of post, but since I also could not find any examples of "prior art" I apologize if this does not belong here. I just hoped it would help others try to find a good supplier.)





 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Site target="_parent">chocosphere.com target="_parent">icaviar.com target="_parent">chocolatesource.com target="_parent">gourmail.com
CompanyChocosphereAssouline and TingChocolate SourceGourmail
E. Guittard (5kg)Creme Fancais (31%)73   
Soleil d'Or n(38%)6339  
Orinoco (41%)    
La Nuit Noire (55%)62   
L'Etoile du Premiere (58%)5742  
Lever du Soleil (61%)7345  
Coucher du Soleil (72%)7350  
Callebaut (5kg)Extra bittersweet bloc (71%)70 62 
Thick bittersweet bloc (60%)68   
Semi-sweet bloc (54%)68 57 
Milk bloc (31.5%)68 57 
White bloc65 53 
Cocoa butter (4kg tub)80   
Valrhona (3kg)Equatoriale (55%)68 6650
Caraque (56%)73  50
Le Noir Gastronomie (61%)7452  
Manjari (64%)806673 
Tainori (64%)83   
Caraibe (66%)805973 
Alpaco (66%)83   
Guanaja (70%)806572 
Araguani (72%)836576 
Abinao (85%)80   
Tanariva Milk (33%)7756  
Equatoriale Milk (35%)70   
Jivara Milk (40%)776073 
Ivoire White (41%)906786 
Michel Cluizel (5kg)Chocolate Ivoire145   
Grand Lait (45%)145   
Haciende Mangaro Milk (50%)175137  
Amer (60%)135   
Hacienda Mangaro Dark (65%)175137  
Hacienda Concepcion (66%)175137  
Caienda Los Ancondes (67%)175137  
Vila Gracinda (67%)175   
Noir (72%)139   
Grand Amer (85%)145   
El Rey (5kg)Icoa White (34%)95   
Irapa Milk (41%)95   
Cariaco Dark (61%)95   
Macura Dark (70%)95   
Caoba Milk (41%)95   
Bucare Dark (59%)95   
Mijao Dark (61%)95   
Gran Saman Dark (70%)95 90 
Apamate Dark (74%)95   
Scharffen Berger (3Kg)Semisweet (62%)70 60 
Bittersweet (70%)80 60 

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#17 gfron1

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:20 AM

My recent El Rey order (prices fluctuate based on their specials) was $159US for 10kilos.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:32 AM

I put together a table of the suppliers I've considered ...


Amazing, Pam, thanks. I just checked icaviar, and can barely believe they have cluizel chocolate for $10/lb.

Not that I have a good excuse for buying a 5kg block of anything, but I'm looking for one.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:36 AM

Not that I have a good excuse for buying a 5kg block of anything, but I'm looking for one.

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You'd be surprised - I chose the 5kg size because it is reasonable and relatively cost-effective for the home confectioner in need of lots of practice (i.e., me!) :biggrin: .

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 08:48 PM

Steve, Which chocolate do you use from Albert Uster? I have been wanting to try their chocolates but I hate to buy a 22 lb bag of something that I haven't tasted before. I have been using Callebaut but not completely satisfied with the dark (semi sweet). I am getting it from American Gourmet Foods in Washington DC.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 07:45 AM

Qzina from last week:

Valrhona Jivara lactee discs 3kg: 48.70
Cocoa Barry Tanzanie discs 11#: 72.05
CB Guayaquil 64% 44#: 213.05

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#22 paulraphael

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:38 AM

You'd be surprised - I chose the 5kg size because it is reasonable and relatively cost-effective for the home confectioner in need of lots of practice (i.e., me!)  :biggrin: .

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Not trying to hijack the thread, but I'd need some better storage than I have now before investing in a 5kg block. Someone in another thread suggested freezing it. Is this legit?

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:49 AM

Not trying to hijack the thread, but I'd need some better storage than I have now before investing in a 5kg block. Someone in another thread suggested freezing it. Is this legit?

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I think you are overestimating how much chocolate 5kg is: the box is maybe 4"x12"x16" or so (just a rough estimate) for the disks (rather than the blocks -- the block are probably half that). It's like two bags of flour or so. Also, chocolate keeps pretty well on its own, and if you use about a pound per recipe, you will go through it pretty quickly. I have three boxes (dark, milk and white) and just keep them in a closet in my tiny apartment.

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#24 gfron1

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:58 AM

Same here - they just sit in the bottom of my dark cool cupboard and they last a long time. I know I make a lot of desserts, but few chocolate based desserts, and I go through my 5 kilos about every 6-9 months.

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#25 Chris Hennes

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:58 AM

Qzina from last week:

Valrhona Jivara lactee discs 3kg: 48.70
Cocoa Barry Tanzanie discs 11#: 72.05
CB Guayaquil 64% 44#: 213.05

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Is there a price list somewhere that I'm missing, or do you just have to call them? I think they carry almost everything on my list, but I'd feel bad trying to get pricing info for all of it without actually intending to purchase (yet)... Also, regarding the Albert Uster chocolate: I'm not familiar with Des Alpes, which appears to be the only brand they carry, so that's why they're not on the list. How many people here are using this stuff?

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#26 lapin d'or

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:58 AM

The Valrhona supplier I use in the UK has just bumped their prices up by about 10 percent - Gfron1's prices are much cheaper than I can get here for the same volume.

It makes me so jealous to see what a good range of european chocolate you can get in the US compared to my options in the UK.

I didn't think I would be able to use a 5kg pack quickly enough when I first started but I quickly found the cost of couriers made the larger packs better value and in good conditions they keep well. I just store in air-tight boxes in a cool dark room.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:59 AM

They've never given me a price list, I just call. And they do seem to get testy the longer my list gets, but I let that be their problem not mine. I buy out of the LA office, since UPS ground is only 2 days from them to me.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 09:07 AM

They've never given me a price list, I just call.  And they do seem to get testy the longer my list gets, but I let that be their problem not mine.  I buy out of the LA office, since UPS ground is only 2 days from them to me.

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That's true! You have to request a quote for every little thing; what a waste of my time and theirs. Oh but wait, they stopped replying to my requests about the 2nd time I asked so neither one of us is wasting our time anymore... :raz: to them! :rolleyes:
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:49 PM

The nice thing about Qzina is that they deliver in my area for free if you meet the minimum.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:52 PM

The nice thing about Qzina is that they deliver in my area for free if you meet the minimum.

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Maybe a better tack is for me to just put up whatever prices we have readily available, and just use 'X's to mark the other stuff they have. I could do the same thing with several of the other wholesale distributors. The point of the pricing is just to compare sources, but I think a list of potential sources, even with missing pricing info, could be useful.

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