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#1 jturn00

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 04:06 PM

After reading the postings in this thread >>> http://forums.egulle...ST&f=72&t=56184

I was curious on the airbrushing technique Wendy DeBord descibed that norman used. After airbrushing there must be some residual spray.

How do you keep your work area clean?

While the objective is to get the colors into the inside of the mould what do you do with the coloring that gets on the outside?

I am planning on using the powered dyes with cocobutter that I will melt and mix. Any tips on cleaning up after using cocobutter and colors? (I ordered the badger 250-4 with two "cups" but if I want to use a third color I will have clean one of them.)

These tips hopefully will let my first attempt at airbrushing chocolates go smoothly.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 04:37 PM

There isn't really that much overspray. It sort of clouds up in a mist, but I haven't had trouble with a mess. I leave the colour that gets on the rim of the mould there. When you fill with chocolate and then scrape off the excess, it comes off. I've had no trouble with putting the scraped colour in my bowl of tempered chocolate. It just mixes in and disperses so there are no streaks. When I have tried to use a bench scraper to get rid of the colour on the rim before there is chocolate in it, it tends to curl up and fall in the cavities and then you need to pick it out. PITA.

Please try the PCB colours. They are wonderful. I ordered some stuff from the PCB website last Friday and got it on Thursday!! From France!! (can you tell I'm impressed with the speed of shipping?)

To clean my Badger 250, I usually get a cup of hot water and dip the intake into it and spray into the sink. Works great. I have a few cups, but you can wash them and use them right away as long as they are dry. Airbrushing is fun. Don't panic.

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#3 Wendy DeBord

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 08:11 PM

Welcome to The eGullet Society For Arts & Letters Jturn00.

I think Choux answered your questions very well, I ditto that info.. And I do want to mention that I've had a hard time dissolving dry powdered color in cocoa butter, so this may be a challenge to you also. I use the PBC brand of color suspended in cocoa butter and a similar product line that Albert Uster Company sells (which is greatly more thinned out then PCB). I also use oil based liquid colors that I've found thru wholesalers and at my local craft stores mixed into my own cocoa butter or chocolates.

As I recall theres alot of detailed excellent info. in the thread that you linked. If you follow it, you shouldn't have any problems learning this technique.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 08:58 PM

Another thing I thought of , when I clean the brush by running hot water through it, then just spray it with nothing but air sucking in to dry it off. I had been worried that the airbrush cuased pressure to build up in the jar, and taking the jar off without releasing the pressure from the can would cause a boom. This fear was allayed when I didn't screw the jar on properly and it fell off during spraying and nothing happened. So cleaning by feeding hot water through is pretty easy.

#5 jturn00

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Posted 27 June 2005 - 05:36 AM

Thanks for all the great help and info! :biggrin:

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 08:41 AM

Just a quick follow-up. I just received the PCB colors. The coco butter is solid in the tubes. What is the best way to heat them up? In a hot water bath or in the microwave. How long should I microwave them for?

#7 choux

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 02:29 PM

Microwave for sure! They tend to float in a hot water bath, and you don't want to get water into them. My microwave has a turntable and I lay them on their sides and let them roll around a bit.(my microwave isn't level so it works great) But a couple minutes for 1 bottle will work and I've done up to 4 in about 4 minutes. Keep checking and shaking them. Let us know how it goes!!

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 11:25 AM

I just bought a new Bagder 250 airbrush. Since this tool is not meant to be used with chocolate there is no instructions about it in the package. Before using it for the first time I would like to have some tips from more experienced users. I am really worried about how to clean it after use since I have no idea how to do this task or what to use to clean the airbrush. I would also appreciate some tips on how to store it once it is not in use.

I am really excited in trying to airbrush my chocolates mold as soon as possible but I wouldn't like to mess this little tool so any info on how to use it is very wellcome.

Thanks in advance!
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 12:54 PM

I use the badger as well ( you mean the little cheaper one right , with external jar for suction ?)
Anyway , I dont do any particular things around it, its my work horse actually I am pretty mean to it as well :laugh: .When I am done using it and between colors I just use some paper towles to clean up the jar and when I am done I just take it apart and wash it with warm to hot water ( but not always ) I use a needle to clean up the hole in case it gets clogged with cocoa butter ,but it doesnt happen too often.
Also if you plan on using the air propellent that it came with it , be aware that isnt food safe .
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 01:04 PM

Do you use a small compressor that is meant for air brushes? Is there enough umph from it?

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 01:09 PM

IF the question was for me , yes I use a badger cyclon II ( I think ) and its prefect , I dont have to worry about moisture trap and stuff .
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 03:27 PM

I also use it for this purpose. My compressor was more on the cheap side and didnt have enough ummph (psi) to do the job. I have switched to a 2 gallon oiless compressor, alittle but works great, it has pressure regulator and my friend is going to install a set up that uses quick disconnects so that I can use anyone of my 3 airbrushes (paint gun-like auto motive guys use, the badger and my airbrush for fine detail and cake work) They are definetly workhorses especially for the price.
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Posted 25 February 2007 - 06:00 AM

Is anyone airbrushing with luster dusts? What do you mix them with, and in what ratio?

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 01:34 PM

Is anyone airbrushing with luster dusts?  What do you mix them with, and in what ratio?

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chef rubber sells these pre-mixed with alcohol. i'm sure you can do the same using denatured alcohol which will evaporate after spraying. don't know what ratio though. enough to make a liquid?

#15 John DePaula

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 01:36 PM

Is anyone airbrushing with luster dusts?  What do you mix them with, and in what ratio?

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chef rubber sells these pre-mixed with alcohol. i'm sure you can do the same using denatured alcohol which will evaporate after spraying. don't know what ratio though. enough to make a liquid?

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would there be any problem with clogging the nozzle?
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Posted 25 February 2007 - 01:45 PM

i don't think so considering you can use the airbrushes with straight cocoa butter with no ill effects. just thin out the luster dust with alcohol until it is more liquid than paste? but i'm just speaking in theory, not from practice.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 02:11 PM

I've experimented with it. Didn't have any significant clogging issues. But I was just using vodka, which didn't evaporate as well as I would have liked, and I figured there had to be some people on here who'd tried it!

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 02:26 PM

I've experimented with it.  Didn't have any significant clogging issues.  But I was just using vodka, which didn't evaporate as well as I would have liked, and I figured there had to be some people on here who'd tried it!

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Is denatured alcohol safe or do you need something like Everclear?
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Posted 25 February 2007 - 03:01 PM

i would worry more about the safety of the luster dusts over the use of denatured alcohol. the alcohol will evaporate, but you are actually ingesting the luster dusts.

you'll notice on chef rubber's web site that they offer fda approved lusters and "decor" colors. the decor colors are not fda approved. doesn't mean that they're poisonous per se, but they aren't meant for consumption in large amounts.

from information i've read, denatured alcohol isn't a problem.

edited to add: but if you're at all concerned, vodka or everclear or another clear alcohol would probably work just as well.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 06:53 PM

I'm not sure denatured alcohol is what you'd want in this instance, unless you're referring to something different than what I'm finding in my web searches:

"Denatured alcohol is ethanol to which poisonous and foul-tasting chemicals
have been added to make it unfit for drinking. There is more than one
recipe for denaturing alcohol; some add methanol or isopropanol, some
gasoline, and so on."
http://www.newton.de...0/chem00102.htm

I believe Everclear is recommended, because its higher alcohol content means that it evaporates more quickly.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 01:51 AM

Could anyone recommend an airbrush and suitable compressor for spraying coloured cocoa butter into moulds for making chocolates?
Advantages/disadvantages etc. Any advice much appreciated.Many thanks :cool:

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 04:53 AM

I have been using a less expensive one by Badger 250, I have it hooked to a 2 gallon compressor (pretty noisy-but the price was right) I have to turn the pressure down or my whole shop becomes like a Cheech and Chong Movie.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 03:53 AM

hi! I am interested in the comment aboutthecompressor can not being safe for eating. I amsure I saw a demo done in which the comressor can was used... Does anyone have more info on this? How do I know if it is safe or not?
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#24 John DePaula

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 08:42 AM

hi! I am interested in the comment about the compressor can not being safe for eating. I am sure I saw a demo done in which the compressor can was used... Does anyone have more info on this? How do I know if it is safe or not?
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You can look up the chemicals from the ingredient list online. I thought I did so when I first got the can of propellant and, because of what I found chose not to use them. It's been a long time and I don't remember exactly what I found but it wasn't good.
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#25 Lior

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 06:37 AM

Hi! I emailed Badger and asked about the safety of the compressor can for food and they do not recommend using it for food products. Thank you somuch for warning me. I clearly remember seeing a N.Love demo in which he used the can!!! I will have to order the compressor- I need so many things to start up a little business!!!
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Posted 03 August 2007 - 10:42 AM

Hi! I emailed Badger and asked about the safety of the compressor can for food and they do not recommend using it for food products. Thank you somuch for warning me. I clearly remember seeing a N.Love demo in which he used the can!!! I will have to order the compressor- I need so many things to start up a little business!!!
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You're quite welcome.

You know, this raises an issue that really bugs me. You see these guys on TV who are telling people Hey, just run out to the hardware store and pick up this and that and make chocolate with it! Isn't it pretty!!!!

But you know, it's really NOT safe. I think it's our obligation, as cooks and confectioners, to be extra cautious when dealing with the health of our clients.
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Posted 03 August 2007 - 03:49 PM

Here is an email from Badger:

Many a chocolatier are using Badger's 100LG (gravity feed) Medium airbrush for decorating their creations. A gravity feed airbrush allows you to spray close to your work at a lower pressure...providing a tight line control, as well as the versatility of a 2" spray pattern.

I'd recommend Badger's # 180-10 diaphragm compressor with the # 50-053 regulator, which will allow you to adjust the airflow to the desired pressure.

Lior, I would suggest that you get a Michaels coupon and buy the compressor thru them. I know at a Michaels store in my city they carry that specific compressor so I am holding out for a 50% off coupon. Not too many people have any use for a compressor so it should be available when I'm ready to buy! I am assuming you live in North America.

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 02:04 AM

Hello! OOOOH! I am sooo jealous of those of you who live in north America-everything is so accesible- and believe me, cheaper. I ordered the badger 250, had it shipped here, paid customs, taxes and a security tax and it was not inexpensive after all that. So now I will order a compressor... Even the chefrubber colors, the natural ones, were a hassle to get. C'est la vie, I should not complain-sorry! I am still learning, I am quite new, and the process takes longer as it is hard to obtain the items. I just adore this forum, there is such sharing and help!
Thanks so much for everything-everyone.
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Posted 16 October 2007 - 02:18 PM

Hi !! I am back from a lovely course in Belgium with Jean Pierre Wybauw!! I enjoyed it a lot and learned much and improved- or at least now I will know what to practice in order to improve!
Anyway, I have the Badger 250-4 and I need a compressor. At Badger they told me that their 180-10 and 180-12 suit. They run at around 180$ t0 268$ . I was wondering if other compressors suit? I was told that at a hobby store called Michaels, they have coupons with 40-50% discounts on compressors. I could have a relative of mine who lives in the states pick one up for me, but HOW DO I KNOW WHat will suit my little airbrush? Does anyone know anything?
Thanks!!

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:15 PM

Hi !! I am back from a lovely course in Belgium with Jean Pierre Wybauw!! I enjoyed it a lot and learned much and improved- or at least now I will know what to practice in order to improve!
Anyway, I have the Badger 250-4 and I need a compressor. At Badger they told me that their 180-10 and 180-12 suit. They run at around 180$ t0 268$ . I was wondering if other compressors suit? I was told that at a hobby store called Michaels, they have coupons with 40-50% discounts on compressors. I could have a relative of mine who lives in the states pick one up for me, but HOW DO I KNOW WHat will suit my little airbrush? Does anyone know anything?
Thanks!!

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You'll have to share your Wybauw experiences with us... I think there's a thread elsewhere about him teaching. :smile:

I have a (similar) Badger 250-3. I bought a 180-10 compressor off of eBay for around $55 before shipping. If you bid carefully you (or your friend in the US) might be able to do similarly well. There is a Michaels in my neighborhood but even with the bi-weekly 40% off coupons, eBay worked out better.

And on my first try, I did get (white) chocolates with that showroom finish, but I was keeping it simple. :raz:

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