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Commander's Palace (NOLA, Garden District) 1880-Aug. 29, 2005, Oct. 1, 2006...

#1 User is offline   Jason Perlow

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 09:02 AM

Commander's Palace Restaurant
1427 Washington Av, New Orleans, LA 70130
Phone: (504) 891-4466
Click here for Commander's Palace website.

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Exterior

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Busy lunchtime crowd

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Including a few celebrations

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Bloody Bull (Jason)

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Gumbo du jour (smoked chicken and sausage) (Rachel)

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Vegas Salad (Jason)

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Garlic Bread

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Spanish Mackeral - Special (Rachel)

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Steak Panzanella (Jason)

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Mango Iced Tea

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Beautiful Table Setting

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Empty Wine Bottle Tree

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Commander's Martini

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Bread Pudding Souffle

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 10:48 PM

Jason, thanks for the post and the pictures, they bring back memories of a great meal at Commanders back when Jamie was still alive. And also of meeting Miss Ella one day at Foodies in Metairie. She is the gold standard when it comes to service and making a person feel good about being in her restaurants.

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Posted 22 November 2003 - 11:51 PM

Fat Guy, on Nov 23 2003, 12:56 AM, said:

While you were there, did anybody order a flaming dessert?

Not at Commanders. But at Palace Cafe it happened about a dozen times. In fact I have the whole bananas foster process photo documented.
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Posted 23 November 2003 - 06:56 AM

Fat Guy, on Nov 22 2003, 09:56 PM, said:

While you were there, did anybody order a flaming dessert?

Any Cafe Brulot? Photos?
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Posted 27 November 2003 - 09:57 AM

We had been briefed on Commander's Palace before our trip and got a lot of opinions about the food from a lot of people. Some say it's the best restaurant in New Orleans, with legendary food and service, others say the restaurant can be wildly inconsistent and it can be a crap shoot of whether you have a good experience or not.

Fortunately for us, it was more like the former. From what I experienced, there are only good things to say about Commander's. The staff is extremely, and I mean extremely attentive. I'd also have to say that for a high end restaurant, it serves one of the most value priced lunches I've had anywhere in this country.

I started out with the legendary Bloody Bull cocktail -- this one actually I think was a little better than the one at Palace Cafe in that it was rimmed with seasonings on the glass and I think it may have had a little more beef boullion in it. Rachel started with a Mango Iced Tea, which has a peice of candied mango in it and is accompanied by a sugarcane swizzle stick. It was good as iced teas go, but didn't really taste like mango so I'm not sure its worth the extra money as opposed to just having a regular iced tea from this place.

For appetizers Rachel had the gumbo, which was very tasty although not the best specimen we had in New Orleans that week -- that honor has to go to Upperline, Joanne Clevenger's restaurant only about a dozen blocks away, which excells in that the roux in it manages to be very dark and savory without being burnt, a huge accomplishment because its very hard to bring your roux to the brink of burning and stopping at the right time. Nevertheless, Commander's was a very good gumbo and I highly reccomend ordering it if you are there. I had the Vegas Salad, which was served on baby spinach greens with crumbled blue cheese and sliced pecans in a light balsamic vinagrette -- this is perhaps the best salad I had the entire week. So many New Orleans restaurants serve crappy salads because for the most part they don't have access to the type of high end produce cities like New York, LA and San Francisco get. No microgreens in this town. Still, it was refreshing and the baby spinach was fresh as can be and matched really well with the blue cheese crumbles and the baby sliced pecans.

The accompaniment to our appetizers was perhaps the best garlic cheese toast we have ever had -- slices of cut french bread toasted with parmesan cheese and olive oil, rubbed with garlic and herbs. The garlic taste was there without being overpowering, and we liked these so much we asked for a second order.

I didn't try Rachel's spanish mackerel but I was told it was very good. My dish was a panzanella salad (yeah, I had salad for two courses, but I was feeling very roughage deprived this week) with sliced prime steak. The steak was extremely tender, very well seasoned, and accompanied by fresh mesclun salad greens, tomatoes, onions in a light vinagrette. It was excellent and really satisfied my beef craving for the week after eating all that seafood.

We finished off with the signature dessert, the bread pudding souffle (which you have to order with your meal at the start because it takes a while to make). All I can say is WOW. The whiskey creme anglaise is amazing, you can almost drink it like egg nog. The souffle itself is fluffy and cinamonny and really is an amazing finish to a great meal. Highly recommended.

We finished off with one of the 25 cent Commanders Palace Martinis -- this is simply vodka with some blue curaco. Each of us had a swig and made a face -- I dont think they use particularly good vodka for these things. But it is a cool looking drink, nevertheless. There are a number of 25 cent cocktails on the menu, including a bright emerald green one that has a name which escapes me.

Verdict: Commanders is the New Orleans restaurant that started the restaurant revolution in the South and continues to be one of the best restaurants in the city. Definitely consider doing lunch there.
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Posted 28 November 2003 - 02:27 AM

'Commander's' shows that the 'Chef' does not always make the restaurant and in some cases may be deliterious to good dining. 'Commanders' has always been our favorite NO restaurant evenn after Paul and then Emeril left, we continued to go. The upstairs 'Garden Room' is quite nice.
BTW the nicest place to stay is Windsor Court. -Dick

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Posted 28 November 2003 - 08:44 AM

Commander's was my most disappointing meal in NO the last time we were there, but that was almost 10 years ago. The restaurants that stood out then were Emeril's (prior to FN), Upperline with an all-garlic meal including dessert and Bayona.
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Posted 28 November 2003 - 09:09 AM

god..i want that bloody bull....NOW.

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Posted 28 November 2003 - 11:23 AM

Unless you live in that area of the country, you'll probably have to make it yourself. After we came back from NO after Jason's first experience with the Bloody Bull, he tried ordering it everywhere. No one makes it in this area, and even those bartenders that have heard of it don't make it because they don't keep the beef boullion on hand.

Here are some bloody mary recipes on the Tabasco website including the bloody bull. At Palace Cafe the Bloody Bull was garnished with a pickled green bean rather than an olive or celery stalk. You can buy them here.

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Posted 28 November 2003 - 11:26 AM

hee hee - that's what i was thinking of doing actually. my bloody marys, soon to be bloody bulls are the best. (at least as far as i'm concerned)

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 12:26 PM

Brad Brennan, GM of Commander's Place Las Vegas, was quoted in Las Vegas Review Journal this morning that Commander's Palace, which would have celebrated its 125 year anniversary is unsalvageable, along with its 18,000 bottles of wine.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 12:54 PM

Jason Perlow, on Sep 4 2005, 01:26 PM, said:

Brad Brennan, GM of Commander's Place Las Vegas, was quoted in Las Vegas Review Journal this morning that Commander's Palace, which would have celebrated its 125 year anniversary is unsalvageable, along with its 18,000 bottles of wine.
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Do you have a link for that? I can't find the article. Was it wind damage?

I live a few block down the street, and the sattelite photos of the area look good.

Other reports say that damage was only done to the facade.

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 02:31 PM

TAPrice, here's the link:

Hurricane claims historic restaurant

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... Submerged and unsalvageable is the 18,000-bottle wine cellar at Commander's Palace, including a 1928 bottle of Chateau Cos d'Estournel worth $4,000.

"I'm going to be saintly and not say anything about the looters, but I would like to think that wine sustained someone's life," Brennan said ...

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 05:17 PM

TAPrice, on Sep 4 2005, 04:15 PM, said:

Let's not write CP's obit just yet. Information is hard to come by and a lot of people of are very upset.

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thanks for that...so true. in earthquake country, sometimes it looks more disastrous than it really is, right after the shaking stops....may that be true in new orleans. (sounds pretty pollyanna, i gotta admit, but at least for me, it helps to hold out a little hope.)
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 07:10 PM

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... Submerged and unsalvageable is the 18,000-bottle wine cellar at Commander's Palace, including a 1928 bottle of Chateau Cos d'Estournel worth $4,000.

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"I'm going to be saintly and not say anything about the looters, but I would like to think that wine sustained someone's life," Brennan said ...

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Let's not write CP's obit just yet. Information is hard to come by and a lot of people of are very upset.

The manager said that the restaurant is submerged, but as I said my house a few blocks down is completely dry according to recent sattelite photos. On NOLA.com, someone still in the Garden District (yes, many phones still work there) is sending out daily reports on the neighborhood. All is still relatively calm and secure.

While trying to verrify this story I ran across a quote from Susan Spicer that Bayona was five feet under water. Given the reports on the lack of flooding in the French Quarter, that just can't be the case.

In the next few weeks we will certainly hear about the destruction of many New Orleans landmarks. For the moment, however, we shouldn't give up hope on a place unless the report is a first hand account.

I'm going to pore over the photos and see if I can find Commander's.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 10:16 PM

This is so very upsetting. It's where I grew up. We would stop at Cafe du monde on the way to high school(Holy Cross in between the 9th ward and St Bernard) for breakfast. Commanders is where I would treat my grand parents to lunch--they used to go there on dates. The waiters always made them feel so important. Jamie would even come out to say hello.
Bayona is where I brought my parents, grand parents and my wife's parents and grand parent one night to celebrate the upcoming mother's day. My maw-maw loved the rabbit. My mom dumped her Pouilly fuisse into my Cali chardonnay while I wasnt looking so she could get a different glass of wine. AARRRGGHH that was gross.
Brigstens is where I took my parents for dinner a couple of days before Christmas. Smoked salmon with potato salad, Duck, sweetbreads---I mention this because the word is that Chef Frank has settled here in Shreveport.
I could go on and on..............
I haved lived away from New Orleans for the past 14 years(staying there for 6 months in 1992 and 1 year in 1994). I would only get to see my entire family at Christmas and maybe one other visit each year. These restaurants were central in me getting to spend time with my family. The food, service and atmospheres are stuck in my memories as much as my maw-maw's love for dessert. Where am I now suppossed to bring them? Most of them will probably not be moving back.
Each Christmas Eve I bring all 20 women in my family to brunch. They all live on the Westbank and they hardly if ever go to the Eastbank. I wanted the young ones to see how enchanting these grand bastions of New Olreans cuisine could be. That history, that grandure that pomp and that circumstance cant be felt anywhere else in the country. What the hell am I supposed to show my god child and her 2 sisters in Baton Rouge or my other nieces in Houston? No offense to Baton Rouge or Houston but it doesnt represent me or where I grew up. These places mean something very deep to me and I cant just start over. I have a reservation at Galatoire's for 20 on Christmas eve at 12:00. Now it looks like it will be my wife and I alone in Shreveport. Instead of "Thanks for the good time, I love you Uncle Dave" it will be "Thanks for mailing me some socks Uncle Dave".
These restaurants spark memories of my nieces. These restaurants spark memories of me, Uncle Dave, to them.
The hurricane hasnt just devistated a city. Ive been through 3 in Florida. I have never seen so many families ripped apart because of it. The people always come right back the next week and start to rebuild the city. The massive amount of time that will elapse before most people can move back will prove to be too great and a lot of people wont go back. They have to work. They have to eat. Then will the city have an influx of non-locals to take the local's places? That will change the soul of everything. We will all start to hate these new people right along with the city we loved so much. Because the city we loved so much may be rebuilt but it is still gone...................
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 09:47 AM

TAPrice is right: don't write the obituary, at least not quite yet. Here's Brad Brennan saying something completely different in today's NY Times:

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Some restaurateurs are vowing to continue. "We have been instructed by the matriarchs that we will rebuild," Brad Brennan, of the family that owns the famed Commander's Palace and eight other restaurants, said from his office at Commander's Palace Las Vegas. "There was no hesitation."

The matriarchs are Mr. Brennan's aunt, Ella Brennan, and his mother, Dottie Brennan, who was evacuated to Houston, where the family also has a restaurant.

Mr. Brennan said it was too soon to know the extent of the damage, but all of the 800 employees of the Brennan restaurants were accounted for.


Here's the full story from Sept. 6 NY Times.

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Posted 08 September 2005 - 01:44 PM

Any idea where and when Brigtsen's is going to open in Shreveport?
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:09 PM

bhoward, on Sep 8 2005, 04:44 PM, said:

Any idea where and when Brigtsen's is going to open in Shreveport?
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I don't think any immediate plans have been made.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 01:53 PM

To the best of my "small town, news travels fast" knowledge, instead of a restaurant Chef Frank is considering teaching cooking.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 06:08 AM

According to the Wasington Post, Commander's Palace is largely undamaged:

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The street is as quiet and empty as the graveyard. The glass on Commander's Palace's front door is smashed, but it looks as though the lock held. Through second-floor windows overlooking the courtyard, the tables are visible, still covered by crisp white linens and set for service.


Here is the article.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 06:53 AM

From reading this particular article, it appears that the damage to the traditional French Quarter landmark restaurants is not as bad as I had first assumed. The best lines in the piece?

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Once you have lived in or even visited New Orleans, it steals part of your heart. How many other cities in the country have the word "beloved" placed in front of it, as is often the case with this place? It is a place that feeds the soul as much as the stomach. It is a place that smells like Mom's kitchen, where people greet each other with a hello and then, almost always, "Where'd ya eat?"

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 04:46 PM

DH just came home from a Yard Sale this afternoon with a 1984 copy of "The Commander's Palace New Orleans Cookbook." Probably wouldn't have paid the $2 if circumstances were different. Spent an hour or so flipping through it. Looks good.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 04:54 PM

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Probably wouldn't have paid the $2 if circumstances were different.
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Actually this was originally $25 ...can be had now in stores for somewhat less ... I think that you got a bargain!

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Ella and Dick took over Commander's Palace, renovated it, and turned it into one of the most innovative, imaginative dining spots in New Orleans. This book brings together for the first time the fabulous recipes and secrets of this exciting restaurant.  There are more than 175 recipes in all, including drinks, appetizers and soups, salads, seafood, chicken and game, beef and veal, and desserts and coffees.

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 12:29 PM

Gifted Gourmet, on Sep 10 2005, 04:54 PM, said:

rosebud, on Sep 10 2005, 07:46 PM, said:

Probably wouldn't have paid the $2 if circumstances were different.
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Actually this was originally $25 ...can be had now in stores for somewhat less ... I think that you got a bargain!

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Ella and Dick took over Commander's Palace, renovated it, and turned it into one of the most innovative, imaginative dining spots in New Orleans. This book brings together for the first time the fabulous recipes and secrets of this exciting restaurant.  There are more than 175 recipes in all, including drinks, appetizers and soups, salads, seafood, chicken and game, beef and veal, and desserts and coffees.

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Yeah, it goes right well with my set of "Mastering the Art of French Cooking" Vols. 1 & 2, also for $2.

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 01:58 PM

Gifted Gourmet, on Sep 10 2005, 08:53 AM, said:

From reading this particular article, it appears that the damage to the traditional French Quarter landmark restaurants is not as bad as I had first assumed. The best lines in the piece?

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Once you have lived in or even visited New Orleans, it steals part of your heart. How many other cities in the country have the word "beloved" placed in front of it, as is often the case with this place? It is a place that feeds the soul as much as the stomach. It is a place that smells like Mom's kitchen, where people greet each other with a hello and then, almost always, "Where'd ya eat?"

New Orleans once fed my soul, and my daughter's who went to Tulane, and, it now appears, will again! Thanks, TAPrice!
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That may well be true, they may be ready to open soon. But it takes a hell of a lot more than a chef and willing diners to serve a meal in a restaurant.

Let's use a dish of Redfish topped with shrimp something or other as an example. I am sure that I will skip some steps, please feel free to add your own.

First, you need a guy to catch the fish:

This will involve a boat, nets, ice, fuel, and decent water

Then, after the guy gets all of the stuff to catch the fish he has to go catch the fish. Assuming that he has a good day, he will need to go sell the fish to a fish guy.

Once the fish guy buys the fish, he will have to haul it to New Orleans on a road and across a bridge (it's the only way in, for those of you that are too dense to have put that together this week). The fish guy will take it to a restaurant directly or to a dealer, but for now, we'll just say directly.

At the restaurant, someone will need to pull out his giant ring of keys and go look at the fish in the back of the truck and make sure that it's fresh-healthy eyes, good looking gills, slime still on fish, etc. and then pay the guy. Once he is paid, the back door guy will take it to a cooler, or in most cases, directly to some guys who are fileting fish somewhere in the bowels of the back of the kitchen. Once fileted, it will go into a tub of ice and be put in a cooler, awaiting that evening's diners..

Now, as the evening arrives, we have to have a whole nother cast of players. We will have a couple of tourists dining at a white table cloth restaurant:

First of all, the tourists will have flown into the airport, caught a cab, and gone to their very nice downtown hotel. They will have gone out strolling in the afternoon, had a couple of beverages and discussed how much they love New Orleans and what an interesting city it is. Then they will have gone back to their hotel and taken a hot shower, perhaps entertained themselves in the clean sheets in the well made up room, and gotten dressed. On their way out, the doorman calls them another cab and they ride uptown, marvelling at beautiful St Charles Ave, the streetcars, and the mansions. Once they arrive at the restaurant, a whole host of players enter the scene.

There will be doormen, hostesses or hosts, maitre d's, bartenders, backwaiters, busboys, and a waiter or waiters, depending on the service chart.

In the kitchen, when the tourists order the fish, there may be as many as twenty people involved in the prep and service of everything that goes into getting it out. Once the diners have enjoyed it, it goes back to the dishroom, where dishwashers clean up everything with soap, water, machinery and brushes, ultimately washing all of it down the drain and into the public sewer.

They will them leave a generous tip on the tab, thank everyone, and stroll out into the night , never realizing how many people were involved in their meal, from the airport to the dishroom.

I have left out dozens of people and dozens of micro situations, but I can tell you that even if the water is gone, the national guard is gone, and the places are all shiny clean, it will be a while before a decent meal can be served here. Those people that you were watching on TV? The ones with no way out, on rooftops and in boats and wading in water that is so nasty it's hard to imagine how they can do it? Those are the people who clean your rooms and your fish, drive your cabs, open your doors, prep your salads, wash your dishes, operate the sewage and water systems. This city, or your city, for that matter, can't operate without them and this city won't be back until some accomodation is made for them, long before you tourists start showing up again.

The interesting thing is that, bizarrely, one of the most interesting things that is likely to result from this is an upsurge in tourism in New Orleans as so many people have remembered how much they have loved their past visits (not to mention the many of us that have only had their love for their home reconfirmed) and will want to return as soon as possible.

It's important to remember that this is not, and never has been, Disneyland. New Orleans is not make believe. It's real and it's the way that it is because of the people and the port. Without those two things, we wouldn't even be here. But until you can get on a plane and come, keep in mind that much of this "federal help" will be going to get an infrastructure back that has to be in place before you can ever have a Pimm's Cup at Napoleon House or an Oysters Rockefeller at Galitoire's or even a snoball at Hansen's.

A fun game would be to go through this and list how many services and how many people are involved in one piece of fish. You don't ever think of it until you don't have it, believe me. I have a young man up here today that I picked up yesterday who has had basically nothing but eggs and Tang for three days, supplemented by some canned black beans and some cheese. He was so happy when we went ino Ryan's (a better than average, but not great, buffet place in the South) last night on the way home. He has great manners, but it was like watching a starving waif last night, he ate like a horse. I was happy for him, and all the while I couldn't help but think how lucky we all are. Really, really lucky.

Lecture over, back to your regularly scheduled programming

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 05:03 PM

Mayhaw Man, on Sep 11 2005, 04:58 PM, said:

That may well be true, they may be ready to open soon. But it takes a hell of a lot more than a chef and willing diners to serve a meal in  a restaurant.

(...)I can tell you that even if the water is gone, the national guard is gone, and the places are all shiny clean, it will be a while before a decent meal can be served here. Those people that you were watching on TV? The ones with no way out, on rooftops and in boats and wading in water that is so nasty it's hard to imagine how they can do it? Those are the people who clean your rooms and your fish, drive your cabs, open your doors, prep your salads, wash your dishes, operate the sewage and water systems. This city, or your city, for that matter, can't operate without them and this city won't be back until some accomodation is made for them, long before you tourists start showing up again.

The interesting thing is that, bizarrely, one of the most interesting things that is likely to result from this is an upsurge in tourism in New Orleans as so many people have remembered how much they have loved their past visits (not to mention the many of us that have only had their love for their home reconfirmed) and will want to return as soon as possible.

It's important to remember that this is not, and never has been, Disneyland. New Orleans is not make believe. It's real and it's the way that it is because of the people and the port. Without those two things, we wouldn't even be here. But until you can get on a plane and come, keep in mind that much of this "federal help" will be going to get an infrastructure back that has to be in place before you can ever have a Pimm's Cup at Napoleon House or an Oysters Rockefeller at Galitoire's or even a snoball at Hansen's. (...)
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A beautiful essay, Brooks. But I often wonder whether reminders such as this one will have the desired effect on the "haves", who often seem to regard the "have-nots" or "have-lesses" as insignificant in the grander scheme of things.

Last Thursday, The Wall Street Journal ran an interesting item as its "A-hed" (the fourth column on the front page, so named for the three-quarter-box rule over its headline; this is usually a lighter story). It was about the wealthy New Orleanians whose lives have been relatively undisrupted by the hurricane, and some of whom remain in their Uptown homes, living off generator power, helicopters landing in Audubon Park bearing supplies, and hired guards to keep the would-be looters at bay.

Some of these members of the local power elite, it appears, already have a post-hurricane vision for New Orleans, and the city they envision rising from the flood is not the one that existed before it. Sure, they're saying that they don't intend for the current ethnic/racial balance to be upended, but -- if the story is to be believed -- not only do they want better municipal services, something which I imagine most of their fellow New Orleanians also would like, but they would like to see a lot fewer poor people in town. The article did not state this bluntly, but it seemed to me as if this group sees the hurricane as a golden opportunity to gentrify the Crescent City.

In which case, they would destroy the city in order to save it and turn it into a mere simulation of itself--the very thing you railed against in your post above.

One of the things that remains in my head from the summer I spent in the city in 1978 is not only its enormous charm and its infectious spirit, but also its pervasive poverty. A left turn off the outbound St. Charles streetcar puts you in some of the most fabulous affluent urban neighborhoods in the country; a right turn puts you in urban hardscrabble. I suspect that this state of affairs existed well before 1978, and I also suspect that some of the things that make New Orleans unique and memorable arise--or arose--from the cultures of the very communities that made up that urban hardscrabble.

I've read some stories lately that suggest that these same areas are now a lot more dangerous than I remember them in 1978. (Could I safely get off the Desire-Florida bus to wait for the Louisa-Pontchartrain Park bus late at night now the way I did then?) I too would want to see those neighborhoods be made safe again, and I suspect it could be done without having to eliminate their residents.

This may be a moot question, as usually, once the very poor leave an area, they are ill-equipped to return. But if it isn't, I would be very chary of any effort to rebuild the city by wiping them off the map completely.

Please forgive my extended journey away from the dinner table. But it's hard for me to separate food from the rest of the place. (Not to mention that at the time, I was a "poor" college kid selling dictionairies door-to-door, and thus spent hardly any time in the better restaurants. I did catch a jazz set at Preservation Hall--a true museum piece, eat a delicious po' boy--well, several dozen of them--at a place on Magazine Street just below the Garden District, and receive my introduction to America's best fast food, Popeye's fried chicken, while there, though. Joy in New Orleans can be found at just about every price point.)
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Posted 11 September 2005 - 05:37 PM

Brooks:

I am hardly going to disagree with what you have written. But, (there's always a BUT, isn't there?) there are a LOT of out-of-town folks there right now. Police from all over the country, including NYPD, as well as fire fighters and military of all stripes. I get the impression that the established, and relatively undamaged, restaurants (like K Paul's) are gearing up to feed these people, knowing that MREs can't compare with the cuisine of the region. How else to start maintaining what's been most famous and well-loved about NOLA? The people needed to do this, as you have so well outlined, will be there. Too many of them just haven't wanted to leave. And, as long as they as feeding the troops, so to speak, nobody is going to get in their way. There seems to be a lot of opportunity for those who are obeying the "All Hands On Deck" atmosphere. God, I hope so.

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 05:38 PM

I have various thoughts but don't want to pull this thread too far off course, so I'll only ask whether many of the restaurant jobs you're talking about were done by undocumented immigrants, as is the case in many kitchens in New York, for example. I guess I'd also make the point that if there are jobs, people who need jobs and are willing to work those jobs will come and get them. Whether they'll all be the same people as before is another matter.

Some cities have significantly reduced crime in poor neighborhoods without evicting all the poor people, but since that really isn't about food, I'll refrain from further comment on it. :wink:

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 08:02 PM

Pan, on Sep 11 2005, 07:38 PM, said:

I have various thoughts but don't want to pull this thread too far off course, so I'll only ask whether many of the restaurant jobs you're talking about were done by undocumented immigrants, as is the case in many kitchens in New York, for example. I guess I'd also make the point that if there are jobs, people who need jobs and are willing to work those jobs will come and get them. Whether they'll all be the same people as before is another matter.

Some cities have significantly reduced crime in poor neighborhoods without evicting all the poor people, but since that really isn't about food, I'll refrain from further comment on it. :wink:
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from my personal experience, most of these jobs were preformed by low paid Blacks and Vietnamese. Some of them had worked at the same place for many years, proud of the work they did. And this included some of the high end hotels. I am sure there were probably some undocumented immigrants but they were a definite minority, unlike where I live now. Here, most of the kitchens in town run on the back of hispanics, both documented and undocumented.

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