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[nickrey]

I'm surprised no-one has started a thread on this as yet, so here goes.

There is a very new web site (so new it's still in Beta) that you can enter your cookbooks into to create an on-line bookshelf.

This is the slow and tedious part of the process (particularly if you have as many cookbooks as I do).

What comes next is the neat part. A lot of books have been indexed, with all the recipes and their respective ingredients.

Want to search through your books for a recipe using lobster and vanilla? Enter the ingredients into the advanced search engine and up pops all of the recipes from indexed books in your own library that contain these two ingredients. They also give the rest of the ingredients and allow you to add these to your shopping list, which is categorised by type of produce so you can order your shopping around the store.

I'm not sure how many books have been indexed so far and not all of my books were on there but I do know that from today I have indexed 176 cookbooks and can search through 12,022 recipes.

No more simply going to old standby cookbooks. I'm sure I'll get more use out of my library as a cooking resource using this website.

The web site is called eat your books.

At present the site is in beta but is accepting subscriptions (current price is $25 per annum or $50 as a limited offer for lifetime membership).

It's an idea that I wish I'd thought of but am really pleased to be able to use.

[Chris Hennes]

Nick, do you (or can you) enter your books by ISBN? Or is it by title?

[nickrey]

You can bulk enter by ISBN (which I only found out after searching for each title).

Edited by nickrey, 31 July 2010 - 06:36 AM.

[Chris Amirault]

Holy crap. This is a dream come true. I just joined with the free 30 day registration, and if this is as good as it seems, I'm a lifer.

First impressions: the book search is a bit clunky and slow. Not having visuals of most of the books (especially of the spine labels -- I'm sitting in my study looking at books on the shelves while I'm doing this) is a drag. You should also be able to tick boxes in your "My Bookshelf" screen and request indexes in bulk, instead of having to do it one at a time with a clunky mailto interface.

But this is quibbling. I'm more excited about this food-related technological advance than I have been about anything since, well, since I discovered the eGullet Society.

[Chris Hennes]

Awesome, "bulk" as in, upload a file with an ISBN per line or something like that? That's how my book software works (Readerware), so that would be pretty seamless.

[nickrey]

Looking at the instructions, it is one per line using either the 10 or 13 digit ISBN.

Books with ISBN that are not yet in the EYB book database apparently will be automatically added to your own bookshelf once they are uploaded.

[nakji]

So the idea is that you enter in the ISBN of books you already own, and EYB will index only those recipes for you? What's to prevent you from entering in the ISBNs of books you don't own to access a wider library of recipes?

[baroness]

From the EYB website:

"The Recipe Detail does not contain the quantities or the method. Eat Your Books is not a recipe site - it helps you find recipes you want from the thousands you own in your cookbooks."

[nakji]

Aha. So it just provides the recipe name, book and page number information.

[Lisa Shock]

As someone who owns hundreds of cookbooks, I can see how this will be very useful. Occasionally, I will know that I have a recipe for something, but just cannot recall where.

[Chris Amirault]

Plowing through my collection and noticed the first, I'm sure, of many ironies in this project. One of the most important indexes of cuisine in the history of publication, Escoffier's Guide to Modern Cookery, is not itself indexed in any edition.

[Chris Hennes]

Who is entering this information in? Is it being purchased from the publishers directly, or is this startup doing that themselves? if they are doing it themselves there is a very good reason for the missing Escoffier...

[Kerry Beal]

Wonder if I could use my little scanning wand to read the ISBN's to enter them?

[Chris Hennes]

Kerry, that's basically what I do, I use a bar code scanner to get the ISBNs, it can make a file with one code per line. So according to Nick's post above, that would work perfectly.

[Chris Amirault]

My 157 cookbooks and 31,479 recipes are all in. (Those are mindblowing numbers, even without the 30 or so that weren't in their database.) Guessing now, but I think that about 10% of my cookbooks aren't indexed, and most of those are ones I use pretty infrequently.

Indeed, one of the (many) great potential benefits of this service is that, unlike a google, eG Forums, or epicurious search, I'm far more likely to find recipes that correspond to my tastes, equipment, skills, and so on.

I just had an amazing thought: what if they index all of the cocktail books? Or even just the books of DeGroff, Regan, Wondrich, Haigh, and a few other authors?

Edited by Chris Amirault, 31 July 2010 - 01:56 PM.

[lapin d'or]

I have most of my cookbooks held on the 'library thing' database and was able to export all the ISBNs and just import them in batches of 500 at a time to EYB.

Really impressed.

Minor drawback is that most of my books are UK published editions and it looks like the US edition is the most likely to be indexed.

[Chris Hennes]

So far so good: it seems to have recognized most of the cookbooks that I actually use. There are a few it recognized but that aren't indexed (yet...). My one complaint is that it doesn't include the page number of the recipe in the book, at least not that I can see. Is it in there somewhere?

[Chris Hennes]

Has anyone tried to access the site from a smartphone? I am imagining being at the grocery store or market and seeing a special, or something particularly fresh, and building dinner around it on the spot.

[azlee]

This is a very clever tool. I'm finding it very easy to search by author's name and just tick the boxes. I plan to enter about 25 books to start and do a few searches. If those searches go well, I just might buy the membership. Author's last name or ISBN number seem like the fastest ways to search.

[Chris Amirault]

I can't find page numbers, either -- a strange omission.

So far, I'm really liking it. The shopping list feature is pretty cool, too.

Edited by Chris Amirault, 31 July 2010 - 03:24 PM.

[nickrey]

I didn't see the page omission as a flaw. Basically the app tells me which cookbook to go to. I can then use the cookbook's index to find the recipe.

Also, the indexing being mainly for US editions is not a major issue precisely because it doesn't have page numbers. It's just the funny spelling that makes it a bit more challenging.

[azlee]

50 cookbooks in under 15 minutes. Easy peasy using an iPad

[nickrey]

Has anyone tried to access the site from a smartphone? I am imagining being at the grocery store or market and seeing a special, or something particularly fresh, and building dinner around it on the spot.

Just brought the website up on my iPhone. As it doesn't use software downloaded to your computer it works just fine.

Now I can look in my own recipe books for cooking ideas while in the supermarket rather than using Epicurious, as I do now.

[Chris Hennes]

Do they have a page layout that is customized to the smartphone, or are you just using their regular website?

[nickrey]

Just the website it seems.

[Lapin d'Argent]

OK, so I register for my free Trial Membership, start searching by author for some of the cookbooks I own, and immediately discover a huge, FATAL flaw with this website.

It shows you a lovely list, with tempting photos, of all these other cook books, by the same author, that you don't already own. And they're just sitting there, begging you to buy them! What the hell is up with that? Like we're just supposed to look the other way and keep moving?

This is very, very bad. It'll all end in tears, mark my words.

[Chris Amirault]

Here's my list of index requests, all of which are, imho, utterly necessary.

Cambodian Cooking by Joannes Riviere, Dominique De Bourgknecht
ISBN: 9780794650391

Catalan Cuisine: Europe's Last Great Culinary Secret by Colman Andrews
ISBN: 9781898697763

Charcuterie and French Pork Cookery (Revised) by Jane Grigson
ISBN: 9781902304885

Culinaria France by Andre Domine
ISBN: 9780841603622

Culinaria Spain by Marian Trutter
ISBN: 9780841603721

Poetical Pursuit of Food: Japanese Recipes for American Cooks by Sonoko Kondo
ISBN: 9780517556535

Southeast Asian Specialties: A Culinary Journey Through Singapore, Malasia and Indonesia
ISBN: 9783833140488

Also, I pitched all cocktail books by Dave Wondrich, Dale DeGroff, Gary Regan, and Ted Haigh. Fingers crossed.

[lapin d'or]

Also, the indexing being mainly for US editions is not a major issue precisely because it doesn't have page numbers. It's just the funny spelling that makes it a bit more challenging.

Well its not just the spelling of key words, some things have completely different names (courgette, rocket, aubergine, swede all come to mind as well as very different names for cuts of meat).

My search for honey cake did not pull up the recipe I knew was in my Claudia Roden book of Jewish food because in the US version it is called lekach and I would never have thought to search for it by that name (until now)!

But I love the sight and the advanced search allows for quite clever combinations of search terms.

Lapin

[Chris Amirault]

It's a bit like having your own Flavor Bible on demand -- and from cookbook authors and chefs you trust.

[jane@eatyourbooks]

This is a great topic. Since there are so many questions raised about how EYB works I thought I should jump in with some answers.

We are launching a new version of the website in the next few weeks which will have a much better user interface and resolve a lot of the niggles with the current searches.

Escoffier's Guide to Modern Cookery is on our indexing list. Books move higher up the list, the more members who own it. So cocktail books will get indexed, as long as enough members own them. Catalan Cuisine and the Culinaria books are already high up on the indexing list so should appear in the next couple of months.

We have indexed quite a few UK versions of the most popular cookbooks (Nigella, Jamie, Delia, Nigel, Madhur, Ottolenghi, etc) and will be indexing a lot more as we get closer to launching the website in the UK. In the same way we have indexed the most internationally available Australian books (Stephanie, Maggie, Bill, Donna, etc) and will be doing a lot more in coming months. In any event, if you search for recipes in the US indexed versions the search recognizes the UK/Aus version of the ingredient name. So search for courgettes, you will get all results for zucchini (and vice versa).

We do not list page numbers as there can be many different editions with different page layouts and hence page numbers. When we index one edition of a cookbook we link it to all other editions so no matter which one you own, the recipes will appear in your searches. If we entered the page numbers for the edition we indexed it could be wrong for the other editions.

I'm happy to answer any questions about how EYB operates.